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RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:38 PM
Delete.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 07:39 PM
Want me to make fun of the drugs you do or the way you do them? Bring your shit to me.

:rotfl

full on idle
11-13-2007, 07:39 PM
Who asked you to do this?

You're so bad ass.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 07:39 PM
But seriously, can you enlighten me on DMT. Have you had any experiences with it?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:40 PM
I consider that confidential information. I don't leak PM talk.

algunz
11-13-2007, 07:40 PM
This seems like a very effective way to get yourself banned.

full on idle
11-13-2007, 07:41 PM
But he's the HIM of the board!!! There's no way he'd get banned!

algunz
11-13-2007, 07:42 PM
Oh, it's HIM, well that's totally different.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 07:44 PM
I consider that confidential information. I don't leak PM talk.

My inbox is full. Maybe you should start another thread to babble about your drug use then.

full on idle
11-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Breakin your balls, Wang.

algunz
11-13-2007, 07:48 PM
What's the point if you won't answer a legitimate question in the forum?

Fuck PMs, you fucking pansy.

Trick Loves The Kids
11-13-2007, 07:49 PM
what are the best drugs for coachella broken down into friday/saturday/sunday

full on idle
11-13-2007, 07:49 PM
hahah

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:50 PM
But seriously, can you enlighten me on DMT. Have you had any experiences with it?

Yes, with both DMT and 5-meo-DMT, the much longer lasting but less intense analog. Never in its natural, original form of Ayahuasca brew, though, which is said to be the way to truly achieve its shamanistic effects.

Here is what I will say for DMT: many find it to be a transcending, enlightening experience. For some reason a lot of reports of true +3 or higher DMT experiences seem to involve visions of aliens or generally inhuman, disturbing entities coming to the subject. I'm not sure I ever got much above a strong +2 to borderline +3, in which I experience the trademark unbelievably fast hallucinatory rush of DMT complete with tunnel visioning into intense CEVs (closed-eye visuals) even though my eyes were actually open... but nothing like aliens.

My reasons for not hitting a full +3 or +4, however, are important ones if you're going to attempt to do DMT. Specifically, it's probably the single most repugnant thing I've ever had to inhale in my life. Now I've freebased all kinds of funky fucking tasting research chemicals, and there is NOTHING on this planet as difficult to inhale--particularly in the amounts you have to to get to a true DMT experience--as that shit. It tastes like the smoke from a tire fire and fills your throat and lungs like insulation. And in order to get a real trip out of it not only do you need a decent freebase pipe, you need to take repeated huge hits within a very small span of time. Frankly, it's really fucking difficult. I can blow out a cloud of crack smoke that would fill the Sahara tent, but that shit is practically impossible to get more than a medium-sized hit of weed's worth of smoke down without choking your fucking soul out.

I find +1 or +2 experiences to be less than thrilling and mildly uncomfortable, without enough trip to truly pull you out of your body and thus make it tolerable. Some other people I've known have liked smoking just a little though.

miscorrections
11-13-2007, 07:50 PM
I just felt something crawling on my leg and I thought maybe it was because I was reading this thread but it was a spider.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:52 PM
what are the best drugs for coachella broken down into friday/saturday/sunday

Completely depends on the lineup for each respective day. When it comes out though, I'll be more than happy to tell you all what drugs you would be doing each night and at what times and what amounts.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:53 PM
Did you assholes really think that I was begging off talking about whether or not I've done a drug on this board IN THIS THREAD? Of course I was responding to FOI, you twerps. C'mon now.


<-------- Attention whore, remember?

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 07:55 PM
Completely depends on the lineup for each respective day. When it comes out though, I'll be more than happy to tell you all what drugs you would be doing each night and at what times and what amounts.

And at what stage/tent? I'm looking for something in a Fear and Loathing meets National Lampoons Vacation.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 07:56 PM
Precisely. I will let everyone know exactly what acts to see, on what, and why.

algunz
11-13-2007, 07:58 PM
Sounds like mushrooms to me would meet your wants and needs, Kings. But, I bet I should shut up and let the guru take his stand.

full on idle
11-13-2007, 07:58 PM
Precisely. I will let everyone know exactly what acts to see, on what, and why.
Because you have such good taste in music.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:00 PM
Excuse me? You have beef with my taste in music, Coachella's Hip-Hop Princess?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:02 PM
And at what stage/tent? I'm looking for something in a Fear and Loathing meets National Lampoons Vacation.

You want a giggle fest with a little bit of freakiness? Hippieflip--two hits of acid and 2 grams of mushrooms, with a lot of weed to calm your stomach. Try and get some BC bud from some Canadians in Tent City, as it is vastly superior to everything in California and they only charge 10 bucks a gram.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:07 PM
RSW, you might be a bit careful with giving dosages, because people's tolerances are very different.

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:08 PM
Aspirin or ibuprofen?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:08 PM
I'm aware--I tailored it for Kings. He's a big boy.

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:09 PM
And what are your thoughts on other commonly prescribed anti-inflammatories?

ps is Greg taking the right medication for his gout????

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:09 PM
Ibuprofen or Advil always.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:09 PM
Midol

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:11 PM
Excuse me? You have beef with my taste in music, Coachella's Hip-Hop Princess?

No, excuse me for my Tomazzian slip, I was being sarcastic because you'd be giving advice on what music is the best for the drug you describe. Instead of the other way around. Was the joke. Dig? Sigh.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:12 PM
More specifically--I prefer Ibuprofen for actual pains, headaches and the such, although it's really pointless 'cause if it's not an opiate it ain't touching me for shit. Advil is good for hangovers. But remember you need to take them BEFORE you go to sleep. When you lay your drunk ass down, chase two full-strength Advil with 10-12 ounces of water.

PotVsKtl
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
I forgot Yablo got the gout. Yablo got the gout. K made me sword fight in my living room to the Titanic soundtrack.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
Randy,

I am planning a rather large Radiohead road trip next year and I am going to need some variety in the drug department. I would like you to come up with a "fun pack" of drugs for me to bring along for a different experience at each show. Keep in mind that I would like to drink with all of the drugs you suggest...That should help with any exclusions from the "fun pack".

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
And what are your thoughts on other commonly prescribed anti-inflammatories?

ps is Greg taking the right medication for his gout????

I don't take medication for my gout, god damn you. I used to take allopurinol. Thoughts on that, Randyboy?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:14 PM
No, excuse me for my Tomazzian slip, I was being sarcastic because you'd be giving advice on what music is the best for the drug you describe. Instead of the other way around. Was the joke. Dig? Sigh.

Ah, okay, fair enough. Well, the thing is that I don't base what I'm going to see at Coach solely on what I like musically. At least at night. During the day I'm probably not on anything fun so it's purely a musical enterprise. But at night I'm not there just to see a show, I'm there to see a show on drugs. So I research the music available to find what will provide the best experience of music + drugs. Not all music--even though it may be very good--will get as much bang for your drug buck as you might want, should want, I want.

PotVsKtl
11-13-2007, 08:14 PM
You gouty motherfucker.

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:15 PM
I forgot Yablo got the gout. Yablo got the gout. K made me sword fight in my living room to the Titanic soundtrack.

I inherited gout, btw...I did not develop it as a result of eating too much sweet bread and red meat.

Who's K?

PotVsKtl
11-13-2007, 08:16 PM
http://www.eorthopod.com/images/ContentImages/arthritis/arthritis_gout/arthritis_gout_intro01.jpg

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:17 PM
http://www.eorthopod.com/images/ContentImages/arthritis/arthritis_gout/arthritis_gout_intro01.jpg

Next time I get a gout attack, I'll take a pic of the ball of my foot cuz it swells like Jack's wiener in Chinatown.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:19 PM
I don't take medication for my gout, god damn you. I used to take allopurinol. Thoughts on that, Randyboy?

Never heard of it. I am thoughtless.


I forgot Yablo got the gout. Yablo got the gout. K made me sword fight in my living room to the Titanic soundtrack.

K will do things like that. If we made a list of crazy-ass shit that disassociatives have spawned... well, it'd never end. There is nothing stranger than the brain within a brain you sink into in the almighty K-hole.


Randy,

I am planning a rather large Radiohead road trip next year and I am going to need some variety in the drug department. I would like you to come up with a "fun pack" of drugs for me to bring along for a different experience at each show. Keep in mind that I would like to drink with all of the drugs you suggest...That should help with any exclusions from the "fun pack".

Um... I mean frankly adding drinking to the mix is kinda useless if you're going for a really good drug experience. The only drugs that go well with alcohol are shitty ones--not that you CAN'T drink on them, 'cause lord knows I pretty much always do except when we're talking about E or mushrooms (due to my lack of stomach lining)--but more so because either the hallucinogen will negate the effects of the alcohol or the alcohol will dull the effects of the hallucinogen. That being said, when the dates come around and you know exactly how many shows you're going to, holla at me.

PotVsKtl
11-13-2007, 08:19 PM
I inherited gout, btw...I did not develop it as a result of eating too much sweet bread and red meat.

Who's K?

Regardless, you got the gout. Now which one of you are going to reveal crippling groin buboes?

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:21 PM
K made me walk through seven rooms of the house I was in, taking a tumble in every one. I passed out washing dishes. Never remembered a thing. Waste of money.

ShyGuy75
11-13-2007, 08:21 PM
What are your thoughts on taking 2CB an hour into a play date with Molly? Have you ever had the privledge of this?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:21 PM
My dad had gout. He took... um... shit... oh, Colchicine, that was it. Seemed to work, sort of. Not nearly as much as he would have liked I think. But I'm not sure whether drinking like a German fish might have had anything to do with it.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 08:21 PM
You want a giggle fest with a little bit of freakiness? Hippieflip--two hits of acid and 2 grams of mushrooms, with a lot of weed to calm your stomach. Try and get some BC bud from some Canadians in Tent City, as it is vastly superior to everything in California and they only charge 10 bucks a gram.

I think its laughable you would claim BC bud is better than everything from California. Ever heard of the Emerald Triangle?

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:22 PM
What are your thoughts on taking 2CB an hour into a play date with Molly? Have you ever had the privledge of this?

2-CB and MDMA go wonderfully together. I recommend it, especially if there's someone around who'll suck your dick.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:22 PM
K made me walk through seven rooms of the house I was in, taking a tumble in every one. I passed out washing dishes. Never remembered a thing. Waste of money.

What the hell were you doing washing dishes? I mean why?

ShyGuy75
11-13-2007, 08:23 PM
I think its laughable you would claim BC bud is better than everything from California. Ever heard of the Emerald Triangle?

There may be hope for you yet Kingsblend.

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:23 PM
Regardless, you got the gout. Now which one of you are going to reveal crippling groin buboes?

I will.

PotVsKtl
11-13-2007, 08:23 PM
I love a well shaped bubo.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:24 PM
I think its laughable you would claim BC bud is better than everything from California. Ever heard of the Emerald Triangle?

It is, dude. Sorry. All that shit from Humboldt has too much body load, it's too sedating and not pleasurable enough. Slows the mind without lifting it. BC Bud is highly regarded and with good reason--it's a fun, airy high, easy on the lungs.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:24 PM
I just got some weed that my friend called Sno Cap. It is exceptional.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:25 PM
Randy,

If too much blow was consumed between you and your lady friend and noodle dick seems very likely, would you suggest snorting viagra or going the normal route with a glass of water?

Yablonowitz
11-13-2007, 08:26 PM
My dad had gout. He took... um... shit... oh, Colchicine, that was it. Seemed to work, sort of. Not nearly as much as he would have liked I think. But I'm not sure whether drinking like a German fish might have had anything to do with it.

I can clearly kick your ass on gout medication talk. Your dad should have been on allopurinol or, if daily medication wasn't his cup of tea, indocin. I don't take either because I man up and walk it off. I ain't no bitch with my gout.

i_like_cake530
11-13-2007, 08:26 PM
Honey oil is the way to go...

ShyGuy75
11-13-2007, 08:26 PM
2-CB and MDMA go wonderfully together. I recommend it, especially if there's someone around who'll suck your dick.


haha! Yes! And if nobody is around to do that for you, a huge nitrous balloon while charging can double as your O face.

BROKENDOLL
11-13-2007, 08:27 PM
I just felt something crawling on my leg and I thought maybe it was because I was reading this thread but it was a spider.
LOL

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:28 PM
K made me walk through seven rooms of the house I was in, taking a tumble in every one. I passed out washing dishes. Never remembered a thing. Waste of money.

K (specifically, a case of it) made us lie to the cops about a dead body. He OD'd, we looted his room. True story, fucked up night.

On the other hand, free case of K. We had that house fucking stinking from the plates cooking in the stove, toaster oven, and microwave, and my friend gave himself a second-degree burn cause he didn't realize the red-hot plate he'd sat on his knee while taking the bump would burn through his jeans as he started sinking into his K-hole.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:30 PM
Randy,

If too much blow was consumed between you and your lady friend and noodle dick seems very likely, would you suggest snorting viagra or going the normal route with a glass of water?

Snorting Viagra FTW. Any time we were having a serious coke night and the evening was dwindling down and thus the herd of coke whores were being thinned out we'd crush up one of those blue diamonds and mix it into the lines. Feed some to the girls too, their clits will go fucking insane. Not kidding. That girl will follow you around like a lost puppy dog til the end of time after you nail her coke-and-viagra-infused ass for three or four hours.

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:30 PM
you should go to prison for that.

I didn't even laugh.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 08:31 PM
It is, dude. Sorry. All that shit from Humboldt has too much body load, it's too sedating and not pleasurable enough. Slows the mind without lifting it. BC Bud is highly regarded and with good reason--it's a fun, airy high, easy on the lungs.

I would have more respect for you if we were talking about strains instead of arbitrary geographical areas. But then again, the only way you will know what strain is what is if you grow it yourself. Any douche can throw some name out there. But if you bought the seeds and grew it yourself. Well.

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:31 PM
I can clearly kick your ass on gout medication talk. Your dad should have been on allopurinol or, if daily medication wasn't his cup of tea, indocin. I don't take either because I man up and walk it off. I ain't no bitch with my gout.

Yeah, it didn't seem terribly effective. He'd take double his dose and it still made his foot pain only sorta tolerable. Fuck, I hope I don't inherit the gout. What can I do to avoid that shit?

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 08:32 PM
Honey oil is the way to go...

green dragon > honey oil

RotationSlimWang
11-13-2007, 08:33 PM
you should go to prison for that.

I didn't even laugh.

Ain't shit funny. Look, I'm not saying we WEREN'T horrible people... but how exactly can giving a girl 5 or 8 or 10 orgasms in a couple hours be considered an act of cruelty?

EDIT: Or were you talking about the K?

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:35 PM
Do you have any idea how exhausting that can be? It's like cruel and unusual "reward."

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:35 PM
I'm sure that K'd up girl you were fucking wasn't lying.

i_like_cake530
11-13-2007, 08:37 PM
green dragon > honey oil

never used green dragon, what exactly is it?

Mr.Nipples
11-13-2007, 08:40 PM
I smoke plants...

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:42 PM
"parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme"

Benis23
11-13-2007, 08:44 PM
what are your favorite drugs?
do you think drugs can cause long term brain damage? if so, which ones are the worst?
i have only tried marijuana and psilocybin mushrooms, but from what i've heard, ketamine sounds very tempting. is ketamine a drug you would recommend?

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:45 PM
E, pot, mushrooms

Yes, but we can all afford a little brain damage

NO

i_like_cake530
11-13-2007, 08:46 PM
I remember one time at Coachella, some stoned hippie tried to convince me that you could literally smoke grass, and it would get you high. Anyways, needless to say, ten minutes later i was behind the port-o-potties lighting up a grass-filled joint.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:47 PM
E, pot, mushrooms

Yes

NO

What MILF said but add pain killers and blow to the list

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:47 PM
probably didn't burn very well

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:48 PM
See, brain damage

full on idle
11-13-2007, 08:48 PM
What MILF said but add pain killers and blow to the list

and everyone should definitely heed the advice of the 19-24 set as expert.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 08:49 PM
never used green dragon, what exactly is it?

basic premise:

heat up a solution of grain alcohol with loads of things.
the heat is a catalyst for a chemical reaction where THC binds to alcohol molecules.
the end result is something that i can only describe as eating a weed brownie but far more intense. Plus you get drunk.

I've never had more than two shots.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:49 PM
What MILF said but add pain killers and blow to the list

Yea, I forgot the painkillers. I never enjoyed the speedy drugs though.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:50 PM
Yea, I forgot the painkillers. I never enjoyed the speedy drugs though.

Yeah they would probably be #1 on my list now, that could be due to a recent root canal though not to mention that you can drink as much as you want with them.

i_like_cake530
11-13-2007, 08:51 PM
basic premise:

heat up a solution of grain alcohol with loads of things.
the heat is a catalyst for a chemical reaction where THC binds to alcohol molecules.
the end result is something that i can only describe as eating a weed brownie but far more intense. Plus you get drunk.

I've never had more than two shots.

I've heard of something like that...you get a glass of everclear, and put hash in it...then you let it sit for a few days, and the everclear soaks all the THC out of the hash...then you drain out the everclear, and you have straight THC that you can drink.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:52 PM
Yea, you can drink with pain killers until you get sick. They are a horrible combination for your liver.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:53 PM
basic premise:

heat up a solution of grain alcohol with loads of things.
the heat is a catalyst for a chemical reaction where THC binds to alcohol molecules.
the end result is something that i can only describe as eating a weed brownie but far more intense. Plus you get drunk.

I've never had more than two shots.

Sweet mother of...

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 08:53 PM
Yea, you can drink, but it's horrible for your liver.

The ulcers suck, I'm sure the liver will later.

algunz
11-13-2007, 08:58 PM
The liver is your friend until she starts to hate you.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 08:59 PM
I've heard of something like that...you get a glass of everclear, and put hash in it...then you let it sit for a few days, and the everclear soaks all the THC out of the hash...then you drain out the everclear, and you have straight THC that you can drink.

Yeah thats it. Although I heated it up with a double boiler to speed up the reaction. Works with clippings and garbage nugs too.

The only downside is that if you use raw plant material there are microscopic fibers that are bad to be drinking.

All That I Am
11-13-2007, 09:00 PM
Anyone ever try absinthe?

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 09:01 PM
The liver is your friend until she starts to hate you.

The last and only time I had a liver issue was last year due to an rx for lamisil pills. At that point I was fine, my issue is the ulcers.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:01 PM
YES, absinthe was great fun - until my husband hit some guy over the head with a bottle because he grabbed his nuts.

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 09:02 PM
Anyone ever try absinthe?

Yes, not a fan

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:05 PM
Really Thom? I enjoyed it. It was a pleasantly intense buzz, like being really drunk but still having the motor skills to participate in the world.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 09:05 PM
Not a fan. Not impressed.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:07 PM
Why Thom & Kings? please 'splain.

Randy, where for art thou wisdom?

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 09:13 PM
Because I didn't feel drunk and wasn't hallucinating. I think it was because this notion of what would happen to me was so built up in my head that it was anti-climatic and I didnt focus on what was really happening anyways. Although, for some reason I was red-hot-on-fire while playing beer pong and drinking absynthe. I had "the vision".

Mr.Nipples
11-13-2007, 09:13 PM
go to prague and drink absinthe...youll enjoy it...

Benis23
11-13-2007, 09:13 PM
i loved absinthe - it tastes so smooth and clean for such a high alcohol content

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 09:14 PM
I had better experiences with Pernod, more of the pussy boys absinthe. It was a bit much for me on every occasion, not to mention I was not around a crowd I was at all comfortable with on every occasion.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:17 PM
Geez, Thom . . . that's Drugs 101. Don't do drugs unless you're in a crowd that you are comfortable. The only drug I can think that would be an exception would be E. That makes everybody your friend.

Benis23
11-13-2007, 09:17 PM
anyone try mescaline?

vinylmartyr
11-13-2007, 09:19 PM
I don't know what to say.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:21 PM
Yea, it was great, but very hard to come by. The most visual hallucinogen I've experienced, and for me always a happy trip.

Randy, I feel like I'm doing your job. I can really only speak of the emotional and mental effects, you are better at the chemical shit. Speak up and be heard.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:21 PM
Oh wait, now here's the man that could really give us some insight.

drugks Gillespie
11-13-2007, 09:45 PM
Jesus.

algunz
11-13-2007, 09:48 PM
No, not that guy. Vinyl, he's got some stories.

leo01g
11-13-2007, 09:59 PM
Ive been told that 40x extract of Salvia can be described as like death, is this true? can anyone clarify?
Also, not much of a smoker so i dont really know much but i want to try it. Has anyone heard of mass skunk? is og kush any better?

algunz
11-13-2007, 10:04 PM
Never tried Salvia, but I would trust anything that comes from the earth.

Benis23
11-13-2007, 10:08 PM
Here's what andrew weil (harvard med school grad and health expert) said about ecstacy :

"If it were legal I would certainly recommend it to a variety of patients. I've seen chronic pain disappear as a result of one session with Ecstasy. I've seen allergies disappear. It gives you a chance to experience your body without the chronic tension that we normally impose on it. And although it doesn't teach you to maintain that, it shows you that it's possible and it can motivate you to find out how to make it happen … without the drug. . . there are no bad drugs, just bad uses…The dangers of [Ecstacy] have been greatly exaggerated. They mostly result from taking it in foolish ways, such as taking high doses, dancing all night and not drinking water in a hot, enclosed space."

Even after reading The Natural Mind, I am surprised at how radical his ideas are. I think that part about "there are no bad drugs, only bad uses" has to be false. I mean, I've read that someone who uses crystal meth consistently for two years has a brain that looks like someone who has early onset alzheimers, so i cant see how crsytal meth is not a bad drug. I also question how realistic it is to think that someone who tries ecstacy will be motivated work harder to be happy because they have seen how happy they can potentially be.

Courtney
11-13-2007, 10:19 PM
Here's what andrew weil (harvard med school grad and health expert) said about ecstacy :

"If it were legal I would certainly recommend it to a variety of patients. I've seen chronic pain disappear as a result of one session with Ecstasy. I've seen allergies disappear. It gives you a chance to experience your body without the chronic tension that we normally impose on it. And although it doesn't teach you to maintain that, it shows you that it's possible and it can motivate you to find out how to make it happen … without the drug. . . there are no bad drugs, just bad uses…The dangers of [Ecstacy] have been greatly exaggerated. They mostly result from taking it in foolish ways, such as taking high doses, dancing all night and not drinking water in a hot, enclosed space."

Even after reading The Natural Mind, I am surprised at how radical his ideas are. I think that part about "there are no bad drugs, only bad uses" has to be false. I mean, I've read that someone who uses crystal meth consistently for two years has a brain that looks like someone who has early onset alzheimers, so i cant see how crsytal meth is not a bad drug. I also question how realistic it is to think that someone who tries ecstacy will be motivated work harder to be happy because they have seen how happy they can potentially be.

Haha Andrew Weil is sort of crazy. Just because someone graduates from a good school doesn't necessarily mean that they know what they're talking about. You might find this article (http://www.crhp.net/article5.html) to be of some interest. It was originally published in The New Republic a few years ago.

Wheres the beef?
11-13-2007, 10:19 PM
Here's what andrew weil (harvard med school grad and health expert) said about ecstacy :

"If it were legal I would certainly recommend it to a variety of patients. I've seen chronic pain disappear as a result of one session with Ecstasy. I've seen allergies disappear. It gives you a chance to experience your body without the chronic tension that we normally impose on it. And although it doesn't teach you to maintain that, it shows you that it's possible and it can motivate you to find out how to make it happen … without the drug. . . there are no bad drugs, just bad uses…The dangers of [Ecstacy] have been greatly exaggerated. They mostly result from taking it in foolish ways, such as taking high doses, dancing all night and not drinking water in a hot, enclosed space."

Even after reading The Natural Mind, I am surprised at how radical his ideas are. I think that part about "there are no bad drugs, only bad uses" has to be false. I mean, I've read that someone who uses crystal meth consistently for two years has a brain that looks like someone who has early onset alzheimers, so i cant see how crsytal meth is not a bad drug. I also question how realistic it is to think that someone who tries ecstacy will be motivated work harder to be happy because they have seen how happy they can potentially be.

No he's still right: using crystal meth is bad. It destroys your ability to tell wrong from right. Fuck crystal meth.

Trick Loves The Kids
11-13-2007, 10:23 PM
why do I feel so horrible the couple days after taking E and how can i stop this? it makes me not want to do the drug anymore, it's so bad.

orbit
11-13-2007, 10:56 PM
K (specifically, a case of it) made us lie to the cops about a dead body. He OD'd, we looted his room. True story, fucked up night.

On the other hand, free case of K. We had that house fucking stinking from the plates cooking in the stove, toaster oven, and microwave, and my friend gave himself a second-degree burn cause he didn't realize the red-hot plate he'd sat on his knee while taking the bump would burn through his jeans as he started sinking into his K-hole.

Do you think snorting K is a waste of time and material?

ThomThom
11-13-2007, 11:00 PM
why do I feel so horrible the couple days after taking E and how can i stop this? it makes me not want to do the drug anymore, it's so bad.

Is the horrible feeling a severe amount of fatigue and cloudiness? Or is it like an alcohol hang over such as headache and nausea?

xleslie
11-13-2007, 11:14 PM
why do I feel so horrible the couple days after taking E and how can i stop this? it makes me not want to do the drug anymore, it's so bad.

Ecstasy causes a flood of serotonin in the synapses of the brain in a short amount of time. So your serotonin levels will be low the days following when you rolled. There isn't really anything you can do to stop this, but some have found that pre/post loading with 5-HTP and other vitamins/minerals can help reduce those feelings.

AEversW
11-13-2007, 11:21 PM
i've only smoked weed, im actually high as im writing this. I never really figured out the fascination with the feeling of being drunk. It does nothing for me so I don't drink.

summerkid
11-13-2007, 11:24 PM
i've only smoked weed, im actually high as im writing this. I never really figured out the fascination with the feeling of being drunk. It does nothing for me so I don't drink.

I'm the opposite. I hate weed soo much. I don't enjoy the company of people that are on it. I don't enjoy the smell. I don't like being high.

drugks Gillespie
11-13-2007, 11:39 PM
why do I feel so horrible the couple days after taking E and how can i stop this? it makes me not want to do the drug anymore, it's so bad.

E works with your own serotonin and neurotransmitters, leaving serotonin levels depleted. Especially after a higher dosage, you might feel depressed for a day or two. For me the worst thing is, being super sensitive to stimulants, that I simply cannot fall asleep long after the party is over. No sleep coupled with the natural hang over can be pretty unbearable. Also there is just a world of difference between good and bad rolls. Molly is a little cleaner and less painful but usually can only be found near stinky hippies. I'll wrap this up by saying the best way to come off a roll is with plenty of good herb, vicodin, and melatonin before bed.

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 03:40 AM
anyone try mescaline?
Mescaline is nice and dreamy, with a little bit of euphoria. I haven't had as many hallucinations with it, but that might be because I haven't had a high dose of it yet--you see, we extracted it ourselves from the San Pedro cactus, and you need quite a bit of it to get the threshold dose (about a foot). It kind of makes your stomach all gurgly though, especially if you drink the foul cactus tea. That has got to be the worst edible drink on Earth. Salty, slimy crap that smells like rancid green peppers.

I would also like to know what to take for Coachella. We recently discovered that if we take acid one day, we can't take it again for several days because we develop short-term tolerance to it. However, with 2ci, we discovered we could take it in the morning, have nice visuals and a very pleasant experience and then take it 10 hours later in the evening and start the trip all over again. I need to get more of that stuff. I know that if we decide to take E, that would be on the last night because of the lame-ass depression that comes immediately afterwards. Mescaline might be a nice addition although I think shrooms and mescaline might be cross-tolerant with acid (and I don't really want to use shrooms as a concert drug--way too intense). Bjork was really good on mescaline--although we probably didn't need that for her to be good.

Not having tried acid at a concert yet, I would have to say 2ci was the best concert drug. Nice euphoria, really pretty visuals that don't interfere with your vision too much, and music sounds amazing on it. No head trip.

marooko
11-14-2007, 06:58 AM
i take it back. Ill start the day off on a good foot.

anyone ever into PCP?

marooko
11-14-2007, 07:14 AM
Never tried Salvia, but I would trust anything that comes from the earth.

That shit is nuts. It's kinda like a mixture of PCP and LSD. fun times, fun times.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 07:40 AM
I promise I will address all questions tonight--right now I'm heading off to work and my computer screen is generally within eyesight of folks, so I can't be moderating the drugs thread just now. Thanks for your cooperation.

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 07:46 AM
Yeah, it didn't seem terribly effective. He'd take double his dose and it still made his foot pain only sorta tolerable. Fuck, I hope I don't inherit the gout. What can I do to avoid that shit?

Fuck if I know. There was a list of dietary habits of people with gout that I was shown and didn't regularly eat any of it. I'll have some red meat probably once a week at the most, but the rest of the stuff wasn't even hardly on my consumption radar. It was all genetics, man.

algunz
11-14-2007, 07:48 AM
i take it back. Ill start the day off on a good foot.

anyone ever into PCP?

We smoked pot laced with PCP - unbeknownst to us.

I didn't like it. But, I think that was more because I wasn't expecting it.

wmgaretjax
11-14-2007, 09:02 AM
of the ones i have tried:

drugs I like:
acid
mushrooms
2cb
pot
mescaline

drugs I don't like:
k
coke
e
pcp


and as far as absinthe goes, it's over-rated. I had it in prague this last summer. meh...

marooko
11-14-2007, 09:12 AM
absinthe is just booze with a funny little feeling added. no big deal.

i wish PCP wasnt so fucking bad for you. it was alot of fun.

Bud Luster
11-14-2007, 10:23 AM
well shit, I missed 5 pages of drug talk. Im too high to go through it all at this point...

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 10:37 AM
BONERS!

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 10:42 AM
hero.

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
BONERS!

sigged!

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
I shit where and when I like. The ignore button is ur fiend.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 10:48 AM
Then quit crying.

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 10:56 AM
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/RetardoTronFiveThousand/cryingbabybig.jpg

bug on your lip
11-14-2007, 10:56 AM
whoa whoa whoooaa
there is a ewetoob of a cat spinning from a ceiling fan !!

wmgaretjax
11-14-2007, 11:01 AM
You don't even make sense. You come on and post a big BONERS. I respond rationally. At no point was I crying, just stating the obvious: some people like to talk about the new PS3, some like talking (for 78 pages) about the new Radiohead album, some like posting youtube videos of cats playing pianos or spinning from ceiling fans, and some like talking about drugs. By the way, those groups of people aren't mutually exclusive. Someone can talk about drugs and then, say, literature. Make sense?

you see. there is a trick I have learned. the ignore button. it works wonders. like right now. I can see you are upset, and read your responses. but any asinine comments from J$ aren't bothering me. check it out.

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 11:02 AM
but any asinine comments from J$ aren't bothering me. check it out.

you're really missing out...

bug on your lip
11-14-2007, 11:06 AM
you see. there is a trick I have learned. the ignore button. it works wonders. like right now. I can see you are upset, and read your responses. but any asinine comments from J$ aren't bothering me. check it out.

I'd give J$'s sister's ass a nine

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 11:08 AM
hahahahhaaahaaaa this r serious.

marooko
11-14-2007, 11:08 AM
Obviously you've never had real absinthe... No labels on the bottle. Just homemade looking jars full of it... And yes, I had it in the Czech Republic as stated earlier in one of these drug threads. It isn't as pronounced of a trip as you would hope for, but it certainly isn't just booze with a funny little feeling added. Most likely, you had absinthe in a bar which is free of the trippy components. Even if you had Absinthe with wormwood, you probably had a minimal wormwood content, and the fact that the Absinthe is 100 proof would prevent you from ever feeling the full effect of the wormwood.

Point being, don't talk about absinthe unless you've had honest-to-god real absinthe.

its funny to hear you say i shouldnt talk about somethng i know nothing about when that is exactly what youre doing. i never had absinthe in a bar. everyone knows real absinthe is illegal in the states, it would be a waste of money.

miscorrections
11-14-2007, 11:10 AM
Why do you cockbites get into pissing matches over who's done more drugs/better drugs/more xtreme drugs?

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 11:11 AM
I'm going to pass on the absinthe. I don't need alcohol all over my hallucinogens.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 11:11 AM
devolving boards is serious bidness.

marooko
11-14-2007, 11:12 AM
Why do you cockbites get into pissing matches over who's done more drugs/better drugs/more xtreme drugs?

why ask why?

miscorrections
11-14-2007, 11:14 AM
Because I, unlike you, am not a blithering piss-lipped scratchy-cunt moron.

marooko
11-14-2007, 11:15 AM
Difference being, I've had real absinthe so your post makes no valid point.

oh thats right, i forgot you were standing behind me as i ordered the absinthe at the bar. thats right, i think i remember you telling me that it wasnt real. oh wait, thats not what really happend, thats just wahts going on in your head. get it, you do not know what i drank, therefore you are assuming i had fake absinthe. get it? wait, let me try again, when i drank absinthe, i was with 2 other people, niether of them had on a purple hat.

k im done now, im hungry. .

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 11:15 AM
You don't even make sense. You come on and post a big BONERS. I respond rationally. At no point was I crying, just stating the obvious: some people like to talk about the new PS3, some like talking (for 78 pages) about the new Radiohead album, some like posting youtube videos of cats playing pianos or spinning from ceiling fans, and some like talking about drugs. By the way, those groups of people aren't mutually exclusive. Someone can talk about drugs and then, say, literature. Make sense?

The effort you put into typing that rant is probably 10x the amount of energy and time it would tak you to "add to the ignore list."

But that would kind of make you stupid since J$ posts are sometimes the only good stuff in threads. And what makes you so sure you know what J$ meant by BONERS!? Maybe he wanted to get the snorting viagra conversation started up again.


Lastly, why is it that you and your best friend, Ragingdave, are gone for weeks on end and then suddenly re-emerge with a barrage of posts?

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not offended by "boners!" J$$$ needs to try harder.

bug on your lip
11-14-2007, 11:18 AM
The effort you put into typing that rant is probably 10x the amount of energy and time it would tak you to "add to the ignore list."

But that would kind of make you stupid since J$ posts are sometimes the only good stuff in threads. And what makes you so sure you know what J$ meant by BONERS!? Maybe he wanted to get the snorting viagra conversation started up again.


Lastly, why is it that you and your best friend, Ragingdave, are gone for weeks on end and then suddenly re-emerge with a barrage of posts?

http://www.jerrylewiscomedy.com/pix/jlcmtl_milkshake_1983.jpg

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 11:20 AM
Because I, unlike you, am not a blithering piss-lipped scratchy-cunt moron.

OOOOOOOHHHH!

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 11:29 AM
I'm not offended by "boners!" J$$$ needs to try harder.

perv you just wanted to put harder and boners in the same sentence.

bug on your lip
11-14-2007, 11:30 AM
you just put you, harder and boners in the same sentence

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 11:36 AM
So did you.

bug on your lip
11-14-2007, 11:37 AM
i put you and you, if you get what i;m sayin

Don Piano
11-14-2007, 11:39 AM
Drugs'll end you, son.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 11:43 AM
I'm going to pass on the absinthe. I don't need alcohol all over my hallucinogens.

I'm going to pass too. I don't need hallucinogens all over my alcohol.

wait..

marooko
11-14-2007, 12:04 PM
Because I, unlike you, am not a blithering piss-lipped scratchy-cunt moron.

literally piss lipped, or like piss on the lips? cause literal piss lips might be pretty funny.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 12:30 PM
zack,

I drink a lot but have never done any drugs other than pot. I wouldn't know where to start. Please advise.

marooko
11-14-2007, 12:43 PM
zack,

I drink a lot but have never done any drugs other than pot. I wouldn't know where to start. Please advise.

dont.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 12:48 PM
this is why i asked Zack.

brando4n82
11-14-2007, 12:49 PM
Never tried Salvia, but I would trust anything that comes from the earth.

If you really want to know what a true "out of body" experience feels like, Salvia is what you are looking for. I just cant rap my head around the fact that acid is a schedule 1 drug, and yet i can drive 15 minutes to the next town and pick up salvia at the local head shop at any given time. (although they do close at 10pm)
I dont care what anyone says, acid is like O'doul's compared to Salvia.
My buddy bought some one night, and we drove out to a nice lil spot with a view overlooking our small town. everyone took a hit, and then i did. The onset kicks in just about As soon as you exhale, and the first effects for me was bicycle vision, its the only way i can describe it. Basically whatever your frame of vision is, that picture is just rotates a full circle and is divided by imaginary "spokes." Salvia really distorts your perception of Geometrical patterns, that is before you get full blow open eyed visuals.
About a minute after exhaling, my full blown visuals/out of body started to hit me. I dont know how i got there, but I was suddenly tranformed into a piece of a shoe of a giant. if that doesnt make sense, perhaps i can elaborate further. More specifically, I was a piece of material on the bottom of the giants shoe, and we are talkabout at least a 300ft Giant. It was weird, because i wanted to see this "world" that the giant was walking around in, except he was not walking, but rather taking really slow steps, so as the heel of the foot that my shoe was on was being lifted, the "world" was slowly becoming visible to me, and my lord, i have never seen so much vibrant color in my life. but as i finally was getting a good look at my surroundings, I immdeitately transcended from the bottom of the Giants shoe, to a single strand of the Giant's hair, which luckily for me, my friends in the car were also single strands of hair as well, and we were all green, very green. green hair, my trip ended with me trying to break the my friends windshield to get out (i was in a 2 door chevy blazer in the back seat) and eventually just crawled over the driver and exited through his door. I ran about half a block before my firend chased me down and convinced me to stop.
Oh yes, i should probably mention that a Salvia trip lasts anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes, usually about 20 though, including the comedown.
I told my buddy to drop me off at my house and i just laid in bed to ponder what just happened and where the fuck those herbs took me in this universe. Hope this has been somewhat useful/helpful/entertaining.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 01:34 PM
i don't want a trip so much as something to take the edge off and make my knees stop hurting. exhiliration a plus. i'm too paranoid to seek anything even mildly hallucinegenic. and also something to make me spell better.

drugks Gillespie
11-14-2007, 01:36 PM
If you really want to know what a true "out of body" experience feels like, Salvia is what you are looking for. I just cant rap my head around the fact that acid is a schedule 1 drug, and yet i can drive 15 minutes to the next town and pick up salvia at the local head shop at any given time. (although they do close at 10pm)
I dont care what anyone says, acid is like O'doul's compared to Salvia.
My buddy bought some one night, and we drove out to a nice lil spot with a view overlooking our small town. everyone took a hit, and then i did. The onset kicks in just about As soon as you exhale, and the first effects for me was bicycle vision, its the only way i can describe it. Basically whatever your frame of vision is, that picture is just rotates a full circle and is divided by imaginary "spokes." Salvia really distorts your perception of Geometrical patterns, that is before you get full blow open eyed visuals.
About a minute after exhaling, my full blown visuals/out of body started to hit me. I dont know how i got there, but I was suddenly tranformed into a piece of a shoe of a giant. if that doesnt make sense, perhaps i can elaborate further. More specifically, I was a piece of material on the bottom of the giants shoe, and we are talkabout at least a 300ft Giant. It was weird, because i wanted to see this "world" that the giant was walking around in, except he was not walking, but rather taking really slow steps, so as the heel of the foot that my shoe was on was being lifted, the "world" was slowly becoming visible to me, and my lord, i have never seen so much vibrant color in my life. but as i finally was getting a good look at my surroundings, I immdeitately transcended from the bottom of the Giants shoe, to a single strand of the Giant's hair, which luckily for me, my friends in the car were also single strands of hair as well, and we were all green, very green. green hair, my trip ended with me trying to break the my friends windshield to get out (i was in a 2 door chevy blazer in the back seat) and eventually just crawled over the driver and exited through his door. I ran about half a block before my firend chased me down and convinced me to stop.
Oh yes, i should probably mention that a Salvia trip lasts anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes, usually about 20 though, including the comedown.
I told my buddy to drop me off at my house and i just laid in bed to ponder what just happened and where the fuck those herbs took me in this universe. Hope this has been somewhat useful/helpful/entertaining.

SOLD. I'm going to Trails tonight.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 01:37 PM
huffing cat poop in a jar is the shit.

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 01:38 PM
i don't want a trip so much as something to take the edge off and make my knees stop hurting. exhiliration a plus. i'm too paranoid to seek anything even mildly hallucinegenic. and also something to make me spell better.

You missed the ibuprofen discussion, I see.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 01:47 PM
i was thinking of stepping up to something harder like Aleve.

TomAz
11-14-2007, 01:54 PM
In all fairness, what's the difference between discussing drug expertise and discussing music expertise? They're both serious elements to some people's lives and certain people have done more drugs than others/listened to more music than others, and sometimes it's helpful to share experiences, even though it can be childish and/or elitist in either case.


dont.


Well Tom, assuming you aren't trying to bait me into some drug rant, my answer would be the same as Marooko...

this is a difference between music and drugs. I love music and I'd never tell someone not to listen to music. you people love drugs but your advice is "don't"? Maybe I should have asked Randy.

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 02:10 PM
i was thinking of stepping up to something harder like Aleve.

Don't do it. Doesn't work. I used it for my gout because that's what the doctor recommended (of course I did this when I was a pussy and couldn't stand the pain). It didn't do SHIT, jack. I mean tom. Stick with ibuprofen. It's tried. It's true. It's you, baby.

brando4n82
11-14-2007, 02:10 PM
Just enjoyed some wonderful AK-47....damn, I need to renew my medical card.

marooko
11-14-2007, 02:12 PM
i NEVER said i love drugs. but considering whats going on right now at work i sure fucking wish i was on drugs.

here, back cheack and scrub this. are you done yet? arre you done yet? lunch time.......back from lunch...are you done yet. ok so fuck back checking, now im scrubbing. hey i need this sheet to do something. well, good fucking thing thats what im scrubbing now right? are you done yet? what?! this doesnt make sense. yeah, i fucking know that. thats the problem.

jackstraw94086
11-14-2007, 02:18 PM
Don't do it. Doesn't work. I used it for my gout because that's what the doctor recommended (of course I did this when I was a pussy and couldn't stand the pain). It didn't do SHIT, jack. I mean tom. Stick with ibuprofen. It's tried. It's true. It's you, baby.

My doc gave me 500mg Naproxen pills once for a back pain and it was great.
regular aleve is just 200mg but you can always double up. It only really works for back pain though.

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 02:34 PM
just got back from the dispensary with a nice half-ounce of purple urkle, some ganesh wafers, a half pint of tainted peanut butter and caramel ice cream, and some bud butter for my lobster on friday...all in the name of medicine...

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 02:36 PM
how the hell do you obtain a free pass?

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 02:42 PM
not really free, costs about 150 bucks. the whole process of obtaining a cannabis card is very surreal, at least in oakland.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 02:44 PM
chronic spaz attacks?

crazzz2007
11-14-2007, 02:47 PM
chronic penile pain

Mr.Nipples
11-14-2007, 02:50 PM
chronic spaz attacks?

Headaches... You can say your hair hurts and theyll write you up a card.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 02:51 PM
I <3 Oakland.

brando4n82
11-14-2007, 02:53 PM
just got back from the dispensary with a nice half-ounce of purple urkle, some ganesh wafers, a half pint of tainted peanut butter and caramel ice cream, and some bud butter for my lobster on friday...all in the name of medicine...

Tainted's Spliff Peanut Butter is TO DIE FOR. I swear it's better than real peanut butter. awww fuck you man, you just gave me a huuge craving for it. enjoy it

canexplain
11-14-2007, 02:57 PM
i best not add to this thread or i will be in trouble :) canx**

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 03:01 PM
mqtY88BUi0M

Mr.Wyndham
11-14-2007, 03:01 PM
salvia... that was like the worst trip of my entire life, while it was happening. however, its grown on me to think it was pretty amazing. i see a miniture me standing on my stomach when i was laying down on a bed of lava. ( i wasnt laying down, so i dunno, wtf?) i didnt know which way was up and the wall was sucking me in. oohh and half of my friends face was a desert. it was frightning when it was happening, but now like i said before its kinda amazing how all of that happened. The brain is crazy and with drugs, too crazy.

Benis23
11-14-2007, 03:02 PM
this is a difference between music and drugs. I love music and I'd never tell someone not to listen to music. you people love drugs but your advice is "don't"? Maybe I should have asked Randy.

I think he was saying that music expertise is similar to drug expertise in that there are a lot of people with the attitude - "i've been to so many concerts and own so many albums and know so much more about music than everyone else." Some people who do a lot of drugs have a similar attitude. Music and drugs themselves are not very similar in my opinion.

I think the reason even people who do drugs frequently won't encourage other people to do them is that they realize the probability that drugs will fuck up your life is way higher than the probably that it will improve it. I believe hunter thompson said something along the lines of "I love drugs and violence, and they work for me, but I would never recommend them to anyone else."

Bud Luster
11-14-2007, 03:03 PM
I'm going to pass too. I don't need hallucinogens all over my alcohol.

wait..

eh, its not that bad Tom. Really just like a strong booze buzz with a little extra fuzziness/dizziness IMO. That "green fairy" Czech Absinthe is complete shit and it tastes like it. (never had homemade so I cant speak to that) Most good Absinth (notice the lack of the 'e' at the end) is made/imported from France. You can buy it online. fun.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 03:08 PM
EyscMwFj6BI

How the hell did they think this one would work?

Benis23
11-14-2007, 03:14 PM
I cant stand those commercials. the reason those anti-drug campaigns never work is they never provide you with any useful information. there are plenty of reasons to not do drugs and some reasons to do them, but they never give you any. they just say, "drugs are bad. dont do them. and dont ask any questions because we wouldnt know the answers anyway."

Courtney
11-14-2007, 03:15 PM
Well that specific commercial was targeted towards parents, not drug-users themselves, so it's a little different.

J~$$$
11-14-2007, 03:20 PM
At 13, or even today I have never walked into a grocery store and have been offered smoke...smoke.....kind bund.

Benis23
11-14-2007, 03:20 PM
I had only seen the first clip J$ posted that was directed at kids, but the second one is idiotic too. none of those anti-drug campaigns make any difference anyway.

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 03:28 PM
perv you just wanted to put harder and boners in the same sentence.
J$$$ you're giving me WAY too much credit.

Yablonowitz
11-14-2007, 03:29 PM
My doc gave me 500mg Naproxen pills once for a back pain and it was great.
regular aleve is just 200mg but you can always double up. It only really works for back pain though.

How did you hurt that little back of yours?

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 03:35 PM
this is a difference between music and drugs. I love music and I'd never tell someone not to listen to music. you people love drugs but your advice is "don't"? Maybe I should have asked Randy.
If you want to do it and you educate yourself as much as possible about it, I don't see why you shouldn't do it.

What sucks is when stupid kids go out, get some drugs, and use them irresponsibly and someone gets hurt or killed and the drug gets a bunch of bad press just because some kids were being really stupid. Like that shrooms thing in the Netherlands. Kids were jumping off buildings committing suicide on shrooms, so they banned shrooms there again (right?).

brando4n82
11-14-2007, 03:42 PM
Has anyone ever tried Jimson weed before? worst trip ever. a very foolish immature decision of my :nono

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium

xleslie
11-14-2007, 03:59 PM
Only dried mushrooms have been banned in the Netherlands. Fresh mushrooms are still available due to the fact they cannot predict their potency.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 04:39 PM
There's a lot to address here, sorry I wasn't around. I'm going to take things as they come, if I end up saying something that gets said later on in the thread and I didn't see it, bite me.


Here's what andrew weil (harvard med school grad and health expert) said about ecstacy :

"If it were legal I would certainly recommend it to a variety of patients. I've seen chronic pain disappear as a result of one session with Ecstasy. I've seen allergies disappear. It gives you a chance to experience your body without the chronic tension that we normally impose on it. And although it doesn't teach you to maintain that, it shows you that it's possible and it can motivate you to find out how to make it happen … without the drug. . . there are no bad drugs, just bad uses…The dangers of [Ecstacy] have been greatly exaggerated. They mostly result from taking it in foolish ways, such as taking high doses, dancing all night and not drinking water in a hot, enclosed space."

Even after reading The Natural Mind, I am surprised at how radical his ideas are. I think that part about "there are no bad drugs, only bad uses" has to be false. I mean, I've read that someone who uses crystal meth consistently for two years has a brain that looks like someone who has early onset alzheimers, so i cant see how crsytal meth is not a bad drug. I also question how realistic it is to think that someone who tries ecstacy will be motivated work harder to be happy because they have seen how happy they can potentially be.

There may be a couple bad drugs, but he's basically right. MDMA in particular has a great deal of medicinal value, and that bullshit you just dropped about methamphetamine is just that--bullshit. People use meth for years in various forms and maintain some degree of stability (not necessarily all or even most of the time, but it's not the drug's fault, it is in truth how they choose to do it). As with most street drugs, the true dangers of crystal don't lie in the intended substance itself but in its impurities. People take prescription methamphetamine for years.

leo01g
11-14-2007, 04:43 PM
Dude how good/bad is 40x concentrated salvia?

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 04:51 PM
Okay, it might take me several posts to try to hit everything:

Absinthe--Zach is correct in stating that only homemade absinthe could possibly be compared to the old true absinthe of days past. Anything mass-produced and sold to the public, even in Eastern Europe, contains only a nominal amount of wormwood and its psychoactive ingredient thujone. Erowid has a very informative breakdown of how much thujone you need to achieve anything more than a "first alert" stage of hallucination and how even with the highest thujone content-containing brand of absinthe you would have to drink enough absinthe to put you probably near a .4 BAL.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 04:58 PM
Dude how good/bad is 40x concentrated salvia?

Saliva is a tricky bitch goddess. Again, some people claim to really like it, I don't understand how. It's kind of a similar predictament to DMT--in order to get a true dose out of it you have to smoke several bongloads really fast and the smoke is highly unpleasant, to me at least. Trying to get there was frankly more effort than it was worth for me and it caused a lot of bodyload. I really didn't like it.

It has been said to cause seriously intense hallucinations. I never got to the point they talk about in the experience reports on Erowid, I suspect in part because I'm a rather difficult audience when it comes to visuals and the like. I was using 40x extract. If you're going to do it, get a high extract content, at least 25x, otherwise you're going to have to smoke way too much to get even a moderate trip out of it.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:00 PM
Dealing with ecstasy hangovers:

Someone recommended 5-HTP already, and yes, it is good stuff. I also strongly recommend taking 100mg to 150mg of Wellbutrin once you're starting to get near baseline--it forces a stablization of serotonin levels that will leave you feeling just fine the next day.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:08 PM
Do you think snorting K is a waste of time and material?

How do you mean? You mean snorting as opposed to drinking or injecting it? Drinking is probably the best way to go if you have a lot of liquid K to burn, but that's highly unlikely. Actually, I guess that the K they make now is only designed to not be capable of being cooked, right? So in theory you could drink it. That's in theory though, I have yet to actually get my hands/eyes/mouth on any of the new kind of K.

I also imagine that perhaps you're alluding to the fact that cooking it produces a lower yield in the transition from liquid to powder, perhaps? Well if you have the time to devote you can actually dry it out without heat at all, but it will take several hours and you'll have to sit around and keep spreading it out over a couple square feet of glass or mirror. Drying it without heat in the air you can get at least a 95 percent yield.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:12 PM
Tom--I recommend you start by taking some of my ecstasy at Coachella. Easiest drug to dig if you're not really a drug person in my experience. Not really trippy but opens you up to that side of things. Impossible to not enjoy yourself at a concert on it. Nothing but good feelings.

But if you're looking for something to just help your knee, um, well Percocet.

vinylmartyr
11-14-2007, 05:14 PM
Almost everyone who posted in this thread is retarded. There is no way to take most of these drugs you guys talk about responsibly. How do you rationalize that it is possible to talk LSD responsibly.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:19 PM
Almost everyone who posted in this thread is retarded. There is no way to take most of these drugs you guys talk about responsibly. How do you rationalize that it is possible to talk LSD responsibly.

Huh? First, what is your definition of responsibly? Secondly, why are you convinced that there's no way to take it responsibly? Explain, junkie.

amyzzz
11-14-2007, 05:26 PM
You can take LSD at home in a controlled environment. You can have a sober person on hand to guide your trip (although I can't do that). You can make sure you have food and drinks readily available (it's really hard to call for pizza when you're tripping balls). You can have some downers in case the trip goes bad or if you just want to go to sleep.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:31 PM
I can control myself just fine on acid 99 percent of the time. If I can't, I take a xanax. What's the big fucking deal? Acid never left me passed out and dying in my tent, for one.

jackstraw94086
11-14-2007, 05:34 PM
Almost everyone who posted in this thread is retarded. There is no way to take most of these drugs you guys talk about responsibly. How do you rationalize that it is possible to talk LSD responsibly.

are you kidding? LSD?
I did a fair amount when I was younger, not so much now, but still I know plenty of folks that do and are still fully functioning responsible adults.

miscorrections
11-14-2007, 05:36 PM
Tom, Tramadol. Makes you warm and fuzzy and generally content.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 05:38 PM
Tramadol / Ultram is a great substitute for true opiods. I used to steal them from my mother when I couldn't get any real pills.

leo01g
11-14-2007, 06:04 PM
RSW, is there weed that has very high THC levels that can actually make u feel like you are dying or cant breath? I know it all depends on each person, so what strain has really high THC levels?

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 06:07 PM
RSW, is there weed that has very high THC levels that can actually make u feel like you are dying or cant breath? I know it all depends on each person, so what strain has really high THC levels?

Um... no. Not that I can think of. THC should never make you feel like you're dying or can't breathe, except for maybe just giving you a panic attack somehow.

vinylmartyr
11-14-2007, 06:20 PM
I think its irresponsible because its hard to predict what may happen when you take street drugs. Unless you know who made what and if they know what they are doing. I'm not saying people forget how to live their lives. Most people consume drugs with a lot of faith that they will get a desired result. I'm not telling anyone to not take drugs. Do whatever blows your hair back.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 06:28 PM
I think its irresponsible because its hard to predict what may happen when you take street drugs. Unless you know who made what and if they know what they are doing. I'm not saying people forget how to live their lives. Most people consume drugs with a lot of faith that they will get a desired result. I'm not telling anyone to not take drugs. Do whatever blows your hair back.

The number of things that paper acid can be contaminated with is extremely limited and largely benign.

RotationSlimWang
11-14-2007, 06:36 PM
Moreover, Jeff, what's really silly is attaching that very rational explanation to your comment wondering why people can possibly think they can do acid responsibly. Of all the drugs, acid runs some of the least risk of impurity. Heroin or ecstasy for example are much better targets to go with if you're going to use that justification to try to rationalize that attack.

Steez
11-15-2007, 01:21 AM
Has anyone ever tried Jimson weed before? worst trip ever. a very foolish immature decision of my :nono

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium

i was gonna ask, a friend of mine did it a couple years ago and went blind for a few hours

Steez
11-15-2007, 01:26 AM
RSW, is there weed that has very high THC levels that can actually make u feel like you are dying or cant breath? I know it all depends on each person, so what strain has really high THC levels?

A couple years back I went to Knotts Berryfarm with a friend. We knew someone who lived out there and met up with him. We drove to his friends house while smoking, we smoked like 3 bowls on the way. Well we got out of his car and I could feel gravity just crushing me. I had to lay on the car to keep from falling to the ground. I wasn't smoking a whole lot back then and I figured it was just me being a pussy. Well I turn to my friend who had been way more experianced than me and he was just fighting to stand, staring at the ground sweating. Out of nowhere he falls to the ground and has to be helped up. We got dropped off completley dazed. At one point during our high the person that smoked us out had a whip and was trying to crack a cigarette out of my friends mouth. Some fucked up shit.

Steez
11-15-2007, 01:30 AM
Just to add, in case any people on here are asking about experiences, and their post got over looked or something, erowid.org has a ton of experiences you can read up on.


But I dont know shit about shit so I'll be asking plenty of questions also.

amyzzz
11-15-2007, 06:35 AM
Tramadol / Ultram is a great substitute for true opiods. I used to steal them from my mother when I couldn't get any real pills.
WHOA. I was just going to post about these. My husband was prescribed these painkillers about a week ago because he's been dealing with a lot of joint pain in the past few months (he doesn't know what's wrong with him yet--he's waiting for some blood tests to come back). My husband LOVES them, and they make him all cuddly and lovey-dovey and shit. So I like him ON them too.

canexplain
11-15-2007, 06:44 AM
i tripped maybe 1000 times and never once had a bad trip .... we used to trip 3 and 4 times a week for about 5 years ... not all of them were what i call "fun", like going to work in the air traffic control tower, but not once did i almost freak out ... and i did some of the best in the day ... maybe its just me, or maybe that is why i am the way i am :) canx**

amyzzz
11-15-2007, 06:47 AM
i tripped maybe 1000 times and never once had a bad trip .... we used to trip 3 and 4 times a week for about 5 years ... not all of them were what i call "fun", like going to work in the air traffic control tower, but not once did i almost freak out ... and i did some of the best in the day ... maybe its just me, or maybe that is why i am the way i am :) canx**
Well, that settles it then.

marooko
11-15-2007, 06:53 AM
are you kidding? LSD?
I did a fair amount when I was younger, not so much now, but still I know plenty of folks that do and are still fully functioning responsible adults.

i completely agree. doesnt make it responsible though.

marooko
11-15-2007, 06:55 AM
A couple years back I went to Knotts Berryfarm with a friend. We knew someone who lived out there and met up with him. We drove to his friends house while smoking, we smoked like 3 bowls on the way. Well we got out of his car and I could feel gravity just crushing me. I had to lay on the car to keep from falling to the ground. I wasn't smoking a whole lot back then and I figured it was just me being a pussy. Well I turn to my friend who had been way more experianced than me and he was just fighting to stand, staring at the ground sweating. Out of nowhere he falls to the ground and has to be helped up. We got dropped off completley dazed. At one point during our high the person that smoked us out had a whip and was trying to crack a cigarette out of my friends mouth. Some fucked up shit.

you sure you only smoked weed?

Steez
11-15-2007, 07:01 AM
well for the longest time i thought it was laced but i wasnt so sure, ive had regular panic attacks not brought on by any substance, and it didnt feel like that, and ive had them from smoking and it felt a little different, not quite so scary, chances are it was just some good ol mary jane, but that was one of the scariest feelings

the sun was so bright, i was so hot, i thought for a while it could have been speed because like the brightness thing, and people have told me it makes you feel really heavy, but i dont think thats true, i dont know

canexplain
11-15-2007, 07:02 AM
with friends coming from southeast asia during nam, i had the fortion or misfortion of doing just about any drug you can think of, smack, thi sticks, leb hash, and the only one that kicked my butt and i was sorry i took was pcp ... and more then once which shows how daft i am ... white drugs=bad times ... canx**

clarky123
11-15-2007, 07:05 AM
Here's what andrew weil (harvard med school grad and health expert) said about ecstacy :

The dangers of [Ecstacy] have been greatly exaggerated. They mostly result from taking it in foolish ways, such as taking high doses, dancing all night and not drinking water in a hot, enclosed space."

Not too much water though, right. RSW as resident drug expect should be able to clarify?

TomAz
11-15-2007, 07:09 AM
Tom, Tramadol. Makes you warm and fuzzy and generally content.

this is what i want. thank you.

RotationSlimWang
11-15-2007, 07:23 AM
Not too much water though, right. RSW as resident drug expect should be able to clarify?

Indeed, but for the most part you shouldn't really have to worry about over-hydrating yourself unless you're consciously trying to drink more water than you're inclined to. Of the handful of deaths actually attributed to MDMA itself I think 3-5 were the result of dehydration and one or two were people who were so paranoid about dehydration that they just forced ridiculous amounts of water into their body and drowned themselves from the inside out.

MDMA will make you thirsty, especially if you're on a hot dance floor sweating. I make it a point to always try to be in a reasonably cool environment--mostly just for comfort's sake, as hot temperatures tend to make me throw up when I'm rolling--and I usually am compelled to consume a decent amount of water naturally. Listen to your body, pay attention to it, give it what it wants. Don't think that you need to force more into yourself than it's asking for.

Steez
11-15-2007, 07:47 AM
yeah, water poisoning is real shit, they say most of the deaths result when someone is trying to pass a drug test, which brings me to my next story


my mom found a sac of weed in my room one day and i had to have her give me a ride from work to somewhere, i didnt know yet cause i was at work and when she dropped me off at the place i was going to shes like, why did you have weed? and i lied or whatever and she said she was gonna drug test me when i got home.

luckily i had only smoked twice within the past like 6 months, unfortunatley it was within the past week and a half, and the last time being the day before she found the weed, so i drank a shit load of water, when i was at my friends house i was telling him i felt drunk, i passed the test and later on looked up water poisoning and they said signs were feeling drunk. crazy, i dont know if this makes sense, im really tired.


i always pass drug tests, last time it was for a job and i smoked like 2 days before, didnt even try to drink a lot of water, and passed

amyzzz
11-15-2007, 07:54 AM
I haven't tried weed yet, but I would like to see what it is like someday.
My biggest problems with it are:
- I don't smoke and have NEVER smoked anything
- the smell is nasty and strong
- it stays in your system for a long time (for drugs tests I mean)

RotationSlimWang
11-15-2007, 08:00 AM
Alright, another good subject to bring up before I go to work: passing drug tests.

Note that this advice only pertains to urine tests for the most part--if you're taking a blood test you can help yourself a little bit (provided you have a couple days warning) by consuming a decent amount of water every day and flushing your system a bit, but for the most part you're fucked. If they're taking a hair sample, which is unlikely as it's extremely costly, you're REALLY fucked.

Check the vaults of erowid for more thorough details about the detection periods of various substances, as they have some very useful links. For the most part though, the detection periods are as follows:

Coke: 2-5 days, 5 being an unlikely high end
Crack: 1-4 days, 4 being an unlikely high end.
Any form of amphetamine (including E, meth, etc): 2-4 days
PCP, K: 1-3 days I think
Mushrooms: not tested for
Acid: only possible to test for through hair
Marijuana: Theoretically up to a month, but realistically a few days to a week.

Note that detection periods vary by method of dosing--smoking anything will leave your system faster than snorting it, which will leave your system faster than eating it.

There is not that much use in drinking a RIDICULOUS amount of water. If you're trying to detox in the days prior to the event, stick to a healthy desert diet of say 10-12 12 oz glasses of water a day. The most important part of passing a test is to make sure that the sample you give them is not a fresh one. Wake up early and begin consuming water, all you really want to be doing is making sure that you're giving them at least your fourth urination of the day. The sample should be clear--yellow means metabolites, and metabolites are bad. Some facilities will refuse to accept a clear sample, but they can't fault you for it as you can reasonably claim that you were nervous and didn't think you would be able to go, so you drank a lot of water. They will probably make you test again, but this isn't the worst thing in the world as it gives you another day for your body to detox. And another day can make a shitload of difference. You can beat a test the very next day after doing a drug, I know this for a fact. The funny part is that weed is really the only difficult drug to get away with, but even that isn't so difficult.

Steez
11-15-2007, 08:15 AM
I haven't tried weed yet, but I would like to see what it is like someday.
My biggest problems with it are:
- I don't smoke and have NEVER smoked anything
- the smell is nasty and strong
- it stays in your system for a long time (for drugs tests I mean)

The smell is always gonna be nasty and strong with lower quality weed. Higher quality usually has a better smell. Personally, I hate the smell/taste of any weed but some is better than others, like I said, the higher quality weed usually has a stronger smell before lit, but a lot of times has a better taste.

Everyone coughs their first times so its not a big deal if you're worried about smoking for the first time.

And for drug tests it kinda works like this. Say your body is a barrel, everytime you smoke, the barrel fills more and more. So say you smoke for the first time, a urine test will only detect it for like 4 days max. But if you smoke again, say the next day, it'll stay in you longer, so on so forth.

Steez
11-15-2007, 08:17 AM
And to RSW, seeing as you obviously have a lot of experiance with a lot of drugs, if this jenkem piss shit combo turns out to be real, would you ever debate trying it? I'm assuming you'll say no, but I have to ask.

Courtney
11-15-2007, 09:51 AM
Not too much water though, right. RSW as resident drug expect should be able to clarify?

Stop quoting Andrew Weil. As I noted above with reference, he doesn't always know what he's talking about.

clarky123
11-15-2007, 09:55 AM
Stop quoting Andrew Weil. As I noted above with reference, he doesn't always know what he's talking about.

I'm not quoting anyone. Get out my fucking face.

canexplain
11-15-2007, 09:57 AM
Stop quoting Andrew Weil. As I noted above with reference, he doesn't always know what he's talking about.

hey if i missed your thread on 3k posts, congrats, if not and there wasnt one, congrats anyway .... canx**

Courtney
11-15-2007, 10:00 AM
I'm not quoting anyone.

Yeah, you were. (http://coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=342329&postcount=233)

amyzzz
11-15-2007, 10:03 AM
Uhh, no he wasn't.

miscorrections
11-15-2007, 10:03 AM
Whether he was or wasn't, Courtney > Clarky.

Courtney
11-15-2007, 10:04 AM
I don't even understand what we're arguing about anymore.

clarky123
11-15-2007, 10:05 AM
Yeah, you were. (http://coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=342329&postcount=233)

No, whoever wrote that article said drink water, the only small point I made was yes, but not too much. Do you disagree? Go ahead then big-post-shot, take 5 tabs and find out for yourself.

Courtney
11-15-2007, 10:08 AM
You quoted Benis23 quoting Andrew Weil. To me, your post suggested that you agreed with everything quoted except the minor detail of not drinking too much water. Perhaps I misunderstood.

miscorrections
11-15-2007, 10:08 AM
Clarky's got post envy.

clarky123
11-15-2007, 10:11 AM
You quoted Benis23 quoting Andrew Weil. To me, your post suggested that you agreed with everything quoted except the minor detail of not drinking too much water. Perhaps I misunderstood.

No worries, I just thought, after reading the post that it was worth mentioning - as he didnt.

crazzz2007
11-15-2007, 10:18 AM
I haven't tried weed yet, but I would like to see what it is like someday.
My biggest problems with it are:
- I don't smoke and have NEVER smoked anything
- the smell is nasty and strong
- it stays in your system for a long time (for drugs tests I mean)

that's very strange, amy

clarky123
11-15-2007, 10:18 AM
Clarky's got post envy.

That's not really true young lady. Also, there's absolutely no way I could spew out the amount of crap needed on here to reach certain numbers - I tried!

amyzzz
11-15-2007, 10:26 AM
that's very strange, amy
Don't flatter me.

TomAz
11-15-2007, 10:29 AM
Stop quoting Andrew Weil. As I noted above with reference, he doesn't always know what he's talking about.

Andrew Weil annoys me. He's got the most pretentious beard on the planet. He's been working on this "guru" image forever.

Courtney
11-15-2007, 10:34 AM
Andrew Weil annoys me. He's got the most pretentious beard on the planet. He's been working on this "guru" image forever.

He's just jealous of Deepak Chopra.

clarky123
11-15-2007, 10:36 AM
Anyway, drugs make you swear:

KANukZsWD9Q&NR

vinylmartyr
11-15-2007, 12:43 PM
WHOA. I was just going to post about these. My husband was prescribed these painkillers about a week ago because he's been dealing with a lot of joint pain in the past few months (he doesn't know what's wrong with him yet--he's waiting for some blood tests to come back). My husband LOVES them, and they make him all cuddly and lovey-dovey and shit. So I like him ON them too.


Tramadol is highly addictive.

RotationSlimWang
11-15-2007, 01:16 PM
Courtney, what's your objection to what this Weil fellow said again?

RotationSlimWang
11-15-2007, 01:24 PM
And to RSW, seeing as you obviously have a lot of experiance with a lot of drugs, if this jenkem piss shit combo turns out to be real, would you ever debate trying it? I'm assuming you'll say no, but I have to ask.

Um, yeah, no. In particular I ain't bothering until anyone gives me any reason to think it could possibly be better than nitrous. Then I ain't bothering because it's gross.

Bud Luster
11-15-2007, 02:00 PM
Dealing with ecstasy hangovers:

Someone recommended 5-HTP already, and yes, it is good stuff. I also strongly recommend taking 100mg to 150mg of Wellbutrin once you're starting to get near baseline--it forces a stablization of serotonin levels that will leave you feeling just fine the next day.

Fuck sake I hate E hangovers. I usually take a valium or xanax (or 2) awhile after I've come down to help me sleep. Never tried wellbutrin though. Im really curious about it's effects. I know that MAOI's are a no no w/ E, how does the wellbutrin help? *edit: not sayin wellbutrin is an MAOI.

In regards to passing drug tests. I friend of mine new he was changing jobs and was unsure if he was going to be tested. He stopped smoking for over 100 days. He bought a home test at 63 days and still tested positive for THC. He said the + result was very light on the test, but that there was no mistaking that the thc indicator was there. He weighs about 250-260, smoked daily for as long as I can remeber (prolly years) drank plenty of water as well as stayed away from sodas and caffinated bevs. The new job never tested him.

ShyGuy75
11-15-2007, 02:05 PM
RSW,
In your opinion, what do you think is a proper dosage, in mg's, of Molly? How many mg's do you prefer personally?

And to those speaking on an E hangover, stop taking dirty shit. Problem solved.

Deviate_420
11-15-2007, 02:05 PM
Diazepam, Amitriptyline, and Darvocet have become my new favorite cocktail of drugs..