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Stefinitely Maybe
08-22-2007, 06:49 AM
What do you think? (http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/009633.html)

Pop used to be my favourite genre, but I do feel like I've outgrown it somewhat. Pop ain't what it used to be, and a lot of the boundaries between pop and other genres have blurred, so now I find myself not knowing ehre to look, to find something new and more challenging. When I think of Coachella I think of it as an "indie" festival, but when I look at the bands (Madonna, Chilli Peppers, Arctic Monkeys, Lily Allen, etc.) a lot of them are actually pop. Maybe "indie" doesn't really exist any more; not like it used to.

M Sparks
08-22-2007, 07:05 AM
New York, London, Paris, Munich, everybody talk about Pop Music.

clarky123
08-22-2007, 07:08 AM
I think if you consider the term Indie originally grew up due to the fact the artists I think you are addressing were signed to independent record labels and not constrained to EMI etc. I think it is more to do with the dynamics surrounding the way music is currently distributed.

bug on your lip
08-22-2007, 07:09 AM
damn

M Sparks beat me to it

Stuff,
what exactly is yer question? are u looking 4 sum pop music suggestions?

Stefinitely Maybe
08-22-2007, 07:40 AM
Well, I am interested in knowing people's opinions of that article, and suggestions of some good pop music, yes. By good I mean intelligent and well-crafted songs, not commercially successful.

bug on your lip
08-22-2007, 07:42 AM
Peter Bjorn & Jon


get it now

marooko
08-22-2007, 08:00 AM
how bout, lets not and say we did?!

bug on your lip
08-22-2007, 08:02 AM
Phoenix also makes some infectious pop music

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
08-22-2007, 08:03 AM
New York, London, Paris, Munich, everybody talk about Pop Music.

EX- Girl has the best version of this bar none...

TomAz
08-22-2007, 08:12 AM
Well, I am interested in knowing people's opinions of that article

He lost me at "working class autodidact intellectuals". I tried to push on but got really bored. If he's saying something important, he's not saying it very well.

So I skipped to the concluding paragraph:


The credos of ruling class anti-intellectualism that most Old Media professionals are forced to internalise are fare more effective than the Stasi ever was in generating a popular culture that is unprecedently monotonous .

Popular culture is monotonous. Yes. this is not news. And it's certainly not unprecedented. (To me, the blandest of the bland of pop culture was "The Girl from Ipanema" which was what, 40, 50 years ago?). The guy is romanticizing and mythologizing the past, if he thinks popular blandness is something new.


A class war is being waged, but only one side is fighting.

the 'class war' is not new either. Mainstream American culture, for as long as I've been alive at least, has been all about buying shit.

This guy suffers from the same kind of self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing self-pity that seems to infect a number of Brits (see: Morrissey). I'm not sure why American pop culture is so important to him anyway. Maybe he should bitch and moan about something he can actually do something about.

bartelby
08-22-2007, 08:26 AM
Phoenix also makes some infectious pop music

this is true

Yablonowitz
08-22-2007, 08:54 AM
[QUOTE=TomAz;277670]He lost me at "working class autodidact intellectuals". I tried to push on but got really bored. If he's saying something important, he's not saying it very well.

[QUOTE]

It's been a long time since I've had to read any culture theory articles and that article just reminded me how horrible those things are to read. Or maybe it reminds me that I can't really think on those abstract levels. I read that whole thing and could not give you an adequate summation of his argument.

Anyway, I don't know what he means by "pop" anyway. Is it pop in the literal sense where the music reaches a wide audience or pop in form where the music embodies elements of accessible melodies and univeral appeal (even if it doesn't receive it)yet is also smart and to some degree subversive?

If it's the latter, I'm sure you're as informed about good pop bands as I am. My personal favorites, which I've repeatedly beaten into the ground on this board would consist of:

The New Pornographers
Spoon
Sufjan Stevens
Crowded House
Ween
The Shins
Andrew Bird
My Morning Jacket
The Walkmen
Brendan Benson
Clem Snide
The Decemberists
Camera Obscura
The National
Okkervil River
Arcade Fire
The Clientele
Death Cab for Cutie
The Hold Steady
M. Ward
Gnarls Barkley
Band of Horses

bug on your lip
08-22-2007, 08:58 AM
not sure if i agree with alot of Yablo's list
i would classify alot of those as either rock/folk/experimental/emo/house

but i will agree Brendan Benson is raw pop

canexplain
08-22-2007, 09:33 AM
Hey Tom, serious question, do you really dislike brits or are you just goofing with em?? Oh and yes, I did get upset a few days ago about everyone doggin hippies earlier that morning I got accused of directly or indirectly causing the voters to vote republican for the last 40 years yikes, I had no clue I had that much power .. not cr****

TomAz
08-22-2007, 09:37 AM
Hey Tom, serious question, do you really dislike brits or are you just goofing with em?? Oh and yes, I did get upset a few days ago about everyone doggin hippies earlier that morning I got accused of directly or indirectly causing the voters to vote republican for the last 40 years yikes, I had no clue I had that much power .. not cr****

I dislike all people equally.

bug on your lip
08-22-2007, 09:41 AM
I dislike all people equally.

Thai boys dressed like women ?

Yablonowitz
08-22-2007, 09:45 AM
not sure if i agree with alot of Yablo's list
i would classify alot of those as either rock/folk/experimental/emo/house

but i will agree Brendan Benson is raw pop

It's just a problem with the definition of 'pop.' I think all the bands I listed use at least a loose sense of pop in their music and it's generally that element that grabs me first and gets me to listen to the thornier stuff.

bballarl
08-22-2007, 10:00 AM
*posted same thing twice*

bballarl
08-22-2007, 10:00 AM
I love jangly 60s-ish guitar pop and power pop. Big Star, Crowded House, early R.E.M., Stone Roses, Matthew Sweet, The Byrds, The Lemonheads, etc. Most mainstream pop music now is too processed, lifeless and artistically devoid of anything if it is band-based to interest me.

bballarl
08-22-2007, 10:02 AM
Also, I'm basing my definition of pop around the idea that it is melodic music with strong hooks. Something that goes down easy.

marooko
08-22-2007, 10:05 AM
I dislike all people equally.

ahahhhahauhahahhaahahaha. this fucking kills me. it reminds me of something my brother said. i was like 18, had a live in girlfriend and her and my brother we arguing. she starts crying and my mom is bitching at my brother and asks him "why do you hate her so much?" to which my brother says "mom, i dont just hate her, i hate everybody." i had to leave the room.