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Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 10:21 AM
What the fuck happened to them. I am jamming out to Simease Dream and, all I can say is, WHAT THE FUCK!!! They went from having a .400 batting average to a mere .230 BA. What the fuck? I am sad now.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 10:23 AM
This is what happens to most bands. At least they made Mellon Collie as well.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 10:24 AM
WHAT THE FUCK!! I cant even comprehend it.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 10:27 AM
The only reason The Beatles sustained brilliance over like 7 albums is that they had three exceptional songwriters in the band. Smashing Pumpkins have one. You're bound to run out of killer ideas eventually.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 10:43 AM
bball,

Two of the more recent exceptions to the "good band spiraling downward" effect are Radiohead and The White Stripes who have consistently put out good music after six albums and seem to be going as strong as ever.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 10:47 AM
bball,

Two of the more recent exceptions to the "good band spiraling downward" effect are Radiohead and The White Stripes who have consistently put out good music after six albums and seem to be going as strong as ever.

I agree, but there is a difference between brilliance and not making a bad record. Radiohead had a run of three albums I would consider brilliant (if I really had to get down to it, two), and the White Stripes put out three (again, probably two...Elephant and Satan). The rest of those bands outputs are good...not excellent but good.

My point being that Corgan made two brilliant records and then started to fizzle a bit. Which is natural. I don't think any of the Pumpkins records since Mellon Collie have been bad. Overproduced, maybe. But none were bad.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 10:49 AM
bball,

Two of the more recent exceptions to the "good band spiraling downward" effect are Radiohead and The White Stripes who have consistently put out good music after six albums and seem to be going as strong as ever.

Radiohead albums and White Stripes albums are gradually going downhill.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 10:49 AM
Billy should get together with Nigel Godrich, I bet if Nigel picks Billy's brain the way he does other's it would make for quite a creative project.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 10:50 AM
Radiohead albums and White Stripes albums are gradually going downhill.

What the fuck...

bballarl
08-16-2007, 10:50 AM
Billy should get together with Nigel Godrich, I bet if Nigel picks Billy's brain the way he does other's it would make for quite a creative project.

I don't think Billy would challenge himself that way artistically.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 10:54 AM
I don't think Billy would challenge himself that way artistically.

I never thought The Strokes would either, although the entire album with Nigel was scrapped they still ended up in the studio with him...Either way I see your point but I would never doubt it happening, Billy surprises people sometimes.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 10:59 AM
What the fuck...

Yoo know its true. The White Stripes are to repetitive, they have a formula, and they stick to it. I think Radiohead is unable to come up with anything that matches Amnesiac, Ok computer, Pablo Honey for that matter. I think their new album is called Chinese Democracy as a matter of fact.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 11:04 AM
Yoo know its true. The White Stripes are to repetitive, they have a formula, and they stick to it. I think Radiohead is unable to come up with anything that matches Amnesiac, Ok computer, Pablo Honey for that matter. I think their new album is called Chinese Democracy as a matter of fact.

What makes Get Behind Me Satan so brilliant is there is no formula to it. And while they have a sound, they are not repetitive in a sense they are the same songs.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 11:08 AM
You always know what there album and single is going to be. I guaranfuckingtee that there next album will have some fuzzed out catchy, post punk, folk rift in it as well as some splashy drum playing from Meg. There music is predictable.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 11:09 AM
They have a sound. Certain things characterize a group. Led Zeppelin had big, heavy drums, wailing vocals and guitar solos. They were predictable in the sense that those elements were always present in one way or another. That doesn't mean they were bad.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Deviate, go to your primary care physician and ask to be prescribed De Stijl, Elephant, OK Computer, and Kid A. Let me know when you have THOROUGHLY listened to each album.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 11:16 AM
Deviate, go to your primary care physician and ask to be prescribed De Stijl, Elephant, OK Computer, and Kid A. Let me know when you have THOROUGHLY listened to each album.

I agree OK Computer and Kid A are great albums, probably top 20 of the 90s but, Hail to the Thief was AWFUL! Hail to the thief as RHs Zietgiest.

bballarl
08-16-2007, 11:18 AM
HTTT was mediocre by Radiohead's standards, not awful. And for a band that is so often unpredictable, it was predictable. It seemed lazy.

TomAz
08-16-2007, 11:20 AM
HTTT > Pablo Honey. By several orders of magnitude.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:23 AM
I dont think HTTT was predictable. I had no idea what to expect on that album.

TomAz
08-16-2007, 11:26 AM
HTTT just had too many boring songs. 3,4,5,7,11,13. Perhaps others.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:28 AM
song 11: "A Punch Up at Wedding" is one of my favorite songs on HTTT and is far from boring.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 11:30 AM
Hail to the Thief was the first Radiohead album since Pablo Honey where I actually began skipping certain tracks rather then letting the album take it's course, but when you find a gem on HTTT it is really a fucking gem..."2+2=5", "Sail to the Moon", "The Gloaming", "A Punchup at a Wedding", "There, There". The album was mediocre by Radiohead standards but good from an all around musical standpoint. There were just too many tracks.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:32 AM
You forgot "Sit Down. Stand Up."

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 11:33 AM
2+2=5 is only brilliant because of the title of the song.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 11:33 AM
You forgot "Sit Down. Stand Up."

Kreutz, I love that track but I don't feel it's up to par with some of the other really heavy tracks on that album.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:38 AM
I just love dancing to the end of that song.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 11:42 AM
I just love dancing to the end of that song.

That song fucking KILLS live...It makes me dance like that spazz from the Editors

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:42 AM
agreed.

EDIT: havent we been posting in the wrong thread?

bballarl
08-16-2007, 11:50 AM
The raindrops, the raindrops.

thinnerair
08-16-2007, 11:52 AM
Smashing Pumpkins almost have 3 brilliant records under their belts.
Gish(CLASSIC!)
Siamese Dream(CLASSIC!)
and their greatest hits record.
Mellon Collie had some gems but too much crap on it.
Machina had some great songs too, but for every great song, you got a lame ass song.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 11:53 AM
agreed.

EDIT: havent we been posting in the wrong thread?

Well seeing as how both bands are not the bands the use to be, I think it is relevant to talk about them.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 11:55 AM
How did Radiohead used to be? I thought they weren't who they used to be in 2000. if anything they are closer to who they used to be now than they have ever been.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 11:57 AM
Well seeing as how both bands are not the bands the use to be, I think it is relevant to talk about them.


There is a thread on this board that discusses Radiohead's new material that will be on LP7 which were leaked on their theater tour last year...GO TO IT NOW...You know, because Radiohead is not the band it used to be.

luckyface
08-16-2007, 12:08 PM
I thought HTTT was pretty weak in general, but Punchup at a Wedding and Where I End and You Begin are two of their finer tracks overall.

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 12:11 PM
Your weak...you weak person, wait...McLovin?

luckyface
08-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Your weak...you weak person, wait...McLovin?

I am strong for actually saying that I think RH has a weak album on here. That could get me shanked by some people on this board.

And yes, that is McLovin. Tomorrow!

ThomThom
08-16-2007, 12:15 PM
I wouldn't shank, maybe just sock your mouth a couple of times...McLovin tomorrow, fuck yes!

TomAz
08-16-2007, 12:15 PM
Pablo Honey is dull as stale bread.

thinnerair
08-16-2007, 12:15 PM
I wish people would get off Radiohead's tip.

kreutz2112
08-16-2007, 12:22 PM
Pablo Honey is dull as stale bread.

I agree with you Tom.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
08-16-2007, 01:00 PM
I was a huge SP fan back in the day...but I think it all started going to hell with Adore..I like some stuff from Adore but I think as a whole it is very weak compared to the previous albums..it went all down hill after that...Billy was trying to predict the future rather then do what he liked....

luckyface
11-13-2007, 03:30 PM
Anyone going to the Austin show tonight?


For those of you at tonight's show at The Backyard in Austin, TX, be on the look out for a surprise.

A special guest from the band's past will be joining them on stage.

Let the speculation begin!

PassiveTheory
11-13-2007, 03:35 PM
It's probably Melissa Auf de Mar.

psychic friend
11-13-2007, 03:37 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/281283966_cedfea11cc.jpg?v=0

luckyface
11-13-2007, 11:34 PM
Special guest tonight: Jimmy Flemion from the Frogs

They busted out a Frogs song and also covered Taxman with him.

superfiction
11-13-2007, 11:38 PM
I was a huge SP fan back in the day...but I think it all started going to hell with Adore..I like some stuff from Adore but I think as a whole it is very weak compared to the previous albums..it went all down hill after that...Billy was trying to predict the future rather then do what he liked....

no. he played what he liked. and in turn everyone hated on him for it. listen to his solo record. thats really where machina leaves off to be honest.

machina is my favorite pumpklins record and further more one of my favorite records of all time. the new one sucks yeah but i dunno. that record is still amazingly underated to me.

and to whoever said the thing about nigel goodrich picking his brain.

he doesnt work like that. i had conversations about it with one of the guys who produced the new record and he was just like yeah its billys way. thats it. thats how the guy works. its his vision. his band. his ideas. thats the only way.

Sexecutioner
11-14-2007, 12:36 AM
everything about this thread sucks: the author, the subject, the radiohead hijack...everything!

Benis23
11-14-2007, 10:06 AM
yeah, its very sad to me too what happened to the smashing pumpkins. i think the main problem was billy corgans egocentrism and arrogance, which probably caused the departure of james iha and darcy, and that definitely hurt them.