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xbnmx
08-13-2007, 07:44 PM
I'm heading out to the playa in a couple weeks and I know Jack is too, anyone else?

full on idle
08-13-2007, 08:00 PM
I don't make enough money.

xbnmx
08-13-2007, 08:04 PM
If you can write good rhetoric you can apply for a free ticket, I do every year.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 08:07 PM
no wai srsly

xbnmx
08-13-2007, 08:16 PM
Srsly. Deadlines and effort are involved though.

full on idle
08-13-2007, 08:19 PM
you're ruining my gag with your helpful sense-making.

xbnmx
08-13-2007, 08:30 PM
http://files.samhart.net/humor/fail.jpg

jackstraw94086
08-13-2007, 09:39 PM
Just do me a favor, Ben. When you get there try not to preach too loudly about all the hypocrisy. We're all aware of it. You'll get more than you're counting on out of this experience.

I'm fucking pissed at BM right now though. We were promised free tickets for working decompression and flambe last year and they just gave us half of what they promised. I know lots of people can't afford tickets, but they also didn't do shit to earn them.

Btw, your joke aside, there is such a thing as deep discounted tickets for those apply and qualify.

xbnmx
08-13-2007, 10:12 PM
I'm well aware of the hypocrisy not just on the part of the promoters but even more so on the part of the participants. And no, i don't say a damn thing. That'd be like me going to a jock party in high school and talking down on football...or something. I've been considering setting up a little camp to talk about how Burning Man is trying for the exact opposite of socialism through spontaneous order, but then I realized everyone would just hate me and it would ruin my party. He-ha.

And i wasn't joking, I really get the grant tickets.

Does half of what you were promised mean discounted tickets? What EDM artists should I be on the look-out for this year?

mountmccabe
08-13-2007, 10:16 PM
Spring won't come, the need of strife
To struggle to be freed from hard ground
The evening mists that creep and crawl
Will drench in the dew and so drown

I'm the green man
The green man

Sol in prime sweet summertime
Cast shadows of doubt on my face
A midday sun, its caustic hues
Refracting within the still lake

Autumn in her flaming dress
Of orange, brown, gold fallen leaves
My mistress of the frigid night
I worship pray to on my knees

Winter's breath of filthy snow
Befrosted paths to the unknown
Have my lips turned true purple
Life is coming to an end
So says me, me wiccan friend
Nature coming full circle

I'm the green man
The green man

Wheres the beef?
08-13-2007, 10:27 PM
wrong thread sorry.

xbnmx
08-13-2007, 10:41 PM
I don't get it.

jackstraw94086
08-13-2007, 11:01 PM
I'm well aware of the hypocrisy not just on the part of the promoters but even more so on the part of the participants. And no, i don't say a damn thing. That'd be like me going to a jock party in high school and talking down on football...or something. I've been considering setting up a little camp to talk about how Burning Man is trying for the exact opposite of socialism through spontaneous order, but then I realized everyone would just hate me and it would ruin my party. He-ha.

And i wasn't joking, I really get the grant tickets.

Does half of what you were promised mean discounted tickets? What EDM artists should I be on the look-out for this year?

I still have no idea what you're talking about with your accusations of hypocritical "socialism". Socialism has nothing to do with anything out there. Where are you getting this? It's not a sustainable community and nobody ever thought it was. It's a place where once a year people blow off steam and show off their creativity.

"half the tickets" means they only gave us half the number of free tickets they promised and I forfeited my stake because there wasn't enough to all of us that had worked for them and others needed them more.


Tipper's playing Wed night for sure at Temple of Breaks. There are a few big names like Adam Freeland, Uberzone, and Dylan Rhymes, lee coombs who will most likely be playing at Opulent Temple late in the week.

Fort Knox 5 is playing Wed night at Cirque Bezerk (and someone you know is playing after them). KJ Sawka (live dnb) is a sick fucking show and he'll also be at Cirque Bezerk.

Bassnectar and Freq Nasty will be playing fucking everywhere as usual. (you can see Bassnectar's schedule on his myspace)

Nexus will be at 10:00 & Boreal. That will be the fucking place to be on Saturday night.

None of this matters anyway. Once you get there you'll go hog wild and get distracted by a thousand things at once.

EDIT: P.S. Don't forget your fedora

xbnmx
08-14-2007, 02:47 AM
I stay at Camp Overkill, which is merging with the Opulen Temple this year so I
ll definitley catch Combs (who i enjoy very much). I'd really like to catch Uberzone but I absolutely have to catch Freeland, he's the man. let me know if you figure out where he's playing. And ya, Bassnectar and Freq nasty all over.

The socialism kick comes from the fact that most of the people out there identifying themselves as believing int he socialist ideology and perceiving Burning Man as an example of the said ideology when its exactly just the opposite.

Edit: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/51274025/Fedora_Hat.jpg

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 07:17 AM
Will they be dismantling burning man and recycling him along with all other art installments brought to black rock?

xbnmx
08-14-2007, 07:42 AM
The Green Man is an ancient architectural figure, not a mascot for recycling.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 07:44 AM
Oh yeah I think he was in lord of the rings.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 07:51 AM
This year our art theme will express the immanence of nature in our lives in a variety of ways. The Burning Man will stand atop a structure that resembles green mountain peak. Nestled at its base will be the Green Man Pavilion, 30,000 square feet of shaded exhibition space for the display of interactive artistic, scientific and educational models, a “World’s Fair” of emerging technologies. Artists and inventors are invited to contribute. This pavilion will be surrounded by the "Mangrove" made from simulated 'trees' fashioned from recycled industrial materials. These artificial trees will not be burned: they will survive to subdivide the blue of other skies.



But we will do much more than this. In 2007, we will calculate the amount of climate changing gases that are released into the air by the construction and the burning of the Man and its pedestal. This is called a carbon footprint. Then we'll sponsor projects in the outside world that will efface this imprint. Such actions might include the planting of trees or the development of non-polluting energy resources. Having played with fire, we'll take care to cleanse its atmospheric playground.

thats kewl.

TomAz
08-14-2007, 07:54 AM
Plant a tree for your tomorrow.
It's your tree that clears the air.
Plant a tree, trees for America.
Plant a tree today for all the world to share.
Taste the breeze, it's life inside you.
Make a promise to the Earth.
Plant a tree.
Now is the time to recognize
a tree for all that it is worth
Plant a tree your tomorrow.
Plant a tree that clears the air.
Plant a tree, trees for America.
Plant a tree today for all the world to share.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 07:57 AM
zexy.

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 08:16 AM
The socialism kick comes from the fact that most of the people out there identifying themselves as believing int he socialist ideology and perceiving Burning Man as an example of the said ideology when its exactly just the opposite.



You're still not making any sense. Who the hell is selling you this socialism bullshit? Over half the people who attend and organize the festival are from SF and I've actually been a few times and I've never heard any of that shit.

And even if you did find somebody who claims it's socialist, what does "exactly just the opposite" mean?

meyouseek
08-14-2007, 01:01 PM
I like "temporary gift economy" better. No political affiliation necessary... keep it as a purely unsustainable economic system.

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 01:24 PM
I like "temporary gift economy" better. No political affiliation necessary... keep it as a purely unsustainable economic system.

Gifting is great, but it's not even really about that. I wouldn't call it an "economy". You're supposed to take care of yourself to the greatest extent possible, bring everything you need. You can't count on anyone else (outside of your own camp) providing anything for you. The rule against selling items in exchange for money is not a "socialist" thing. It's to make sure nobody takes advantage of one another even if they don't intend to. Also, if you could sell food or wares then some people would try to finance their trip that way and that would most likely create way more waste. If everyone just brings exactly what they need for themselves then it minimizes the total amount of crap up there. The only 2 things you can buy there are ice and coffee. Ice is obvious, they don't want people to get sick, and camp arctica does not profit from it. The coffee is there by popular demand and it ideally prevents some people from bringing cooking equipment, which just creates more consumption, waste and gray water.

That said, if someone wants to bring some gift to the playa that's great, but it has nothing to do with any "socialist" idea. Whether it be Deep End who spends tens of thousands of dollars to give out free drinks all week or the one guy who enjoys cooking belgian waffles for random passers by, it's people getting a high off being generous, not socialist.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 01:25 PM
Laissez-faire.

bug on your lip
08-14-2007, 01:28 PM
Gifting is great, but it's not even really about that. I wouldn't call it an "economy". You're supposed to take care of yourself to the greatest extent possible, bring everything you need. You can't count on anyone else (outside of your own camp) providing anything for you.


i was counting on Jackstraw to bring enough suck for everyone

disgustipated
08-14-2007, 01:29 PM
I would go for the waffles

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 01:37 PM
Yah its more of the gift economy.....mmmmmm karmaffles.

meyouseek
08-14-2007, 02:00 PM
Jackstraw's got it down. I mentioned the unsustainable part because you're bringing everything with you from the default world. As for the gifting it really isn't all that big a part of the experience. Almost all of what you consume out there is brought by you. That's more of the pseudo radical self reliance part. I radically rely on myself to make enough money during the rest of the year so I can screw around in the desert for a week.

Hell, it's worked fine for me since '99. Come on by Greenmoon for a full moon gathering on Monday, the 27th. There's even a lunar eclipse that night.

PotVsKtl
08-14-2007, 02:01 PM
Steady groovin' word to your mee-maw.

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 02:01 PM
I don't make enough money.

btw, I know you refuse to accept this, but a big percentage of the attendees make less money than you. Many far less.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 02:04 PM
But what if your mom packed you a chocolate snack pack and your bff had 2 tapioca snack packs and you really loved tapioca. Is it cool to ask for one of his tapioca snack packs or do you offer the trade?

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 02:07 PM
I confiscate all tapiocas

full on idle
08-14-2007, 02:32 PM
btw, I know you refuse to accept this, but a big percentage of the attendees make less money than you. Many far less.

shoot you don't know how much money I make
you don't even know what color my kool-aid is

mob roulette
08-14-2007, 02:37 PM
However, the edible parts of plants that are eaten in the United States, including tapioca which is made from cassava roots, contain relatively low amounts of cyanide.

J~$$$
08-14-2007, 02:39 PM
boba.

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 02:41 PM
shoot you don't know how much money I make
you don't even know what color my kool-aid is

I don't have to know. It seems enough to at least survive in SF though. Lots of people up there I guarantee you make far less than you.

Basically "It's not important enough to me to bear the time and money costs" is what you're saying. That's a completely acceptable position. The lifestyle you chose to support can't bear the added cost of going. Fine. Then again, you spent more to go to coachella than many people will be spending all week long at burning man. We all make choices.

full on idle
08-14-2007, 02:48 PM
You're making an ass of you and me.

While you're gone, I'm going to toilet paper your block.

jackstraw94086
08-14-2007, 03:02 PM
You're making an ass of you and me.

While you're gone, I'm going to toilet paper your block.

You know exactly how I'm going to repsond to your accusations.

are you sure you can afford that much TP?

disgustipated
08-14-2007, 03:37 PM
My buddys birthday was a week or so ago, a few of us pitched in to get him some fancy shmancy bass pedal. He wanted this so he could take his bass to BM and play with Chris Marchese, look for him...he looks exactly like Stefinitelymaybe.

full on idle
08-14-2007, 10:42 PM
Basically "It's not important enough to me to bear the time and money costs" is what you're saying. That's a completely acceptable position. The lifestyle you chose to support can't bear the added cost of going. Fine. Then again, you spent more to go to coachella than many people will be spending all week long at burning man. We all make choices.

I do, I make choices. About all types of things in my lifestyle including how much work, fun, and positive action I can do. I guess I find Burning Man less important than the other things I chose. But I'd still go if I had a ton of money and time.

full on idle
08-14-2007, 10:45 PM
plus I spent about 500 dollars on coachella. total.

xbnmx
08-14-2007, 10:55 PM
You're still not making any sense. Who the hell is selling you this socialism bullshit? Over half the people who attend and organize the festival are from SF and I've actually been a few times and I've never heard any of that shit.

And even if you did find somebody who claims it's socialist, what does "exactly just the opposite" mean?

While there is a minority of us self-reliant libertarian types at the man, from my experiences the vast majority of the people at the event are not just socially liberal (as is most anyone who'd want to go) but fiscally liberal to the point of socialism. Countless times I've heard people on the playa equate the "gift economy" to socialism, which makes no sense in my head. This is because socialism is all about central planning, collection, and distribution, while Burning Man puts the responsibility on the individual.

jackstraw94086
08-15-2007, 07:55 AM
plus I spent about 500 dollars on coachella. total.

That confirms my original guess about how many people spent less than you.
Just because some people spend over a grand doesn't mean everyone has to.

jackstraw94086
08-15-2007, 08:03 AM
While there is a minority of us self-reliant libertarian types at the man, from my experiences the vast majority of the people at the event are not just socially liberal (as is most anyone who'd want to go) but fiscally liberal to the point of socialism. Countless times I've heard people on the playa equate the "gift economy" to socialism, which makes no sense in my head. This is because socialism is all about central planning, collection, and distribution, while Burning Man puts the responsibility on the individual.

There's a minority of people like you? Countless times you've heard people on the playa say stuff? How many times have you been there to hear this?
There are over 40k people there. Almost nobody says what you're trying accuse them of. This is where BM HQ is. I've been involved with the organization itself and have worked with many of the artists or know personally many of the people who head many of the major camps (including the one that has apparently absorbed yours. Syd doesn't send out many political rants anymore, but when he did he was never pushing any of the garbage you're selling).

xbnmx
08-15-2007, 12:30 PM
This is my fifth year and its just my personal experience. I'm not saying there's not a wide diversity of participants I'm just saying that from what I've found the majority are in that direction and that speaking against it often incites poor reactions.

Our camp is now effectively a behemoth. There'll be a round antique chair out at the corner by the 60' fluorescent dome, look for me lounging there.

What camp are you in this year?

jackstraw94086
08-15-2007, 03:29 PM
I though you were still in college. You've been going to burning man since before graduating high school? Even in college you were able to take off a whole week as classes were beginning?
Opulent Temple has been a bohemoth for a while at ~300 people as far as I know. We learned our lesson as far as letting our camp get too big.

I'll PM you my camp details.

is this the dome you're refering to? No wonder they called it camp overkill.
http://www.destinationburningman.com/about/what_is/scotty_2006/files/dome06.jpg

xbnmx
08-15-2007, 08:16 PM
I've been going since I was 16, I'm now a junior in college and have always been able to find a way to get time off though I usually leave late Tues night and arrive early Wed morning. Not a week. I'll check my inbox.

Wheres the beef?
08-15-2007, 10:22 PM
I think there is a funamental flaw in the "gift economy" in that everyone is greedy and most people are lazy. Everyone is greedy and selfish therefore it is doomed to failure. Simply put, without the phenomenon of "supply & demand" there is no gauge for value. Why should I give you these fine vegetables I have slaved over for months for your hemp bag? Whos to say how many vegetable = one hemp bag. So on and so forth. In principle its nice to think about it but in reality it just wouldnt work.

EXCEPT! With small groups. If you maintain a group small enough where everyone is accountable then it could work. But the more people you add the more complex it gets and the quicker it will fail.

jackstraw94086
08-15-2007, 10:47 PM
I think there is a funamental flaw in the "gift economy" in that everyone is greedy and most people are lazy. Everyone is greedy and selfish therefore it is doomed to failure. Simply put, without the phenomenon of "supply & demand" there is no gauge for value. Why should I give you these fine vegetables I have slaved over for months for your hemp bag? Whos to say how many vegetable = one hemp bag. So on and so forth. In principle its nice to think about it but in reality it just wouldnt work.

EXCEPT! With small groups. If you maintain a group small enough where everyone is accountable then it could work. But the more people you add the more complex it gets and the quicker it will fail.

This may be true, but it has nothing to do with the burn. There's no "gift economy" happening. Nobody really trades anything. Some people contribute art, some are just spectators. Nobody has a grudge against any lazy people, but even so after one's first trip there they inevitably want to contribute.
My first year my friends and I hopped on a small art car built by a guy from NY who spent the first half of the burn in Reno finishing the car. He then remained sober for the remainder of the week and just drove people around. He did it for no reason at all, he wasn't given anything in return.

It's just people showing off art and enjoying each other's company. It's a party. It's a pep rally for the apocalypse.

Most people who bear this grudge against it (which includes a big percentage of SF every year) simply misinterpret it's meaning. IT HAS NONE.

jackstraw94086
08-15-2007, 10:52 PM
Come on by Greenmoon for a full moon gathering on Monday, the 27th. There's even a lunar eclipse that night.

Ooah's playing at your camp at 2:30 on Thursday night. There's a good chance chance I'll be there for that.

Wheres the beef?
08-16-2007, 09:50 AM
This may be true, but it has nothing to do with the burn. There's no "gift economy" happening. Nobody really trades anything. Some people contribute art, some are just spectators. Nobody has a grudge against any lazy people, but even so after one's first trip there they inevitably want to contribute.
My first year my friends and I hopped on a small art car built by a guy from NY who spent the first half of the burn in Reno finishing the car. He then remained sober for the remainder of the week and just drove people around. He did it for no reason at all, he wasn't given anything in return.

It's just people showing off art and enjoying each other's company. It's a party. It's a pep rally for the apocalypse.

Most people who bear this grudge against it (which includes a big percentage of SF every year) simply misinterpret it's meaning. IT HAS NONE.

To be honest I know nothing about it. I am sure my assumptions about it are wrong.

Deviate_420
08-16-2007, 10:03 AM
So you know there is a thread called BURNING MAN, I don't know, maybe thats a little to cryptic.


Indeed, I am going.

full on idle
08-16-2007, 10:54 AM
Or maybe it was started by a monkey so everyone ignored it.

jackstraw94086
08-16-2007, 11:17 AM
So you know there is a thread called BURNING MAN, I don't know, maybe thats a little to cryptic.


Indeed, I am going.

rapist!

Bud Luster
08-16-2007, 12:49 PM
I've wanted to go to Burning Man for quite some time now. Absolutely no one I know is even remotely interested. It took me almost 2 hours to go through the first-timer and need-to-know guide/list. Think Im going to prepare and come correct for the burn in 08. Thanks for the sig Jack.

J~$$$
08-16-2007, 12:56 PM
Body paint
Sleeping Bag
Drugs
Food
Water
Bongos
?

Bud Luster
08-16-2007, 12:58 PM
well played...

full on idle
08-16-2007, 12:59 PM
*vests

J~$$$
08-16-2007, 01:01 PM
*furry vest
*goggles

J~$$$
08-16-2007, 01:22 PM
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/18314422_64e74cc116.jpg

I like this photo from burning man.

meyouseek
08-16-2007, 01:23 PM
Ooah's playing at your camp at 2:30 on Thursday night. There's a good chance chance I'll be there for that.

Nice, I'll keep an eye out for the guy with a cracker for a head.

you can look for these dusty people http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1075/571516716_da650c43a1.jpg

Bud Luster
08-16-2007, 01:47 PM
What is the consensus on RVs at BM?

meyouseek
08-16-2007, 02:21 PM
What is the consensus on RVs at BM?

I've taken an RV a few times and it's always more trouble than it's worth.

They cost a buttload to rent, gas is way expensive, they suck to drive, they get dirty as hell, they're like ovens if you don't run the a/c constantly, tons of stuff can go wrong and/or break, etc.

But then again, there's nothing like baking a frozen pizza on friday and making your neighbors jealous.

jackstraw94086
08-16-2007, 02:28 PM
There are many moments I'd kill for an RV while up there, but as long as you have a sizable tent with a shade structure over it it's really not too bad.

Besides, RVs are waaayy contrary to the theme this year (although the greenest thing a burner can do is not even go to burning man at all)

Wheres the beef?
08-16-2007, 04:59 PM
Can "squares" go? Or is it only for "those in the know"?

xbnmx
08-20-2007, 11:27 PM
It's much more open and friendly than indie scenster gigs.

J~$$$
08-28-2007, 09:04 AM
I bet people cried....

The Man Burns Five Days Early During Lunar Eclipse

BLACK ROCK CITY, Nevada -- Flames engulfed Burning Man's giant namesake sculpture five days early during a rare total lunar eclipse early Tuesday. Fire crews put the fire out, while onlookers cheered.

Details remain sketchy at this time, although there have been unconfirmed reports of arson or a possible electrical malfunction. One person was arrested, according to a story in the Reno Gazette-Journal.

The Man was only partially damaged, and Saturday's planned big burn is still on, the paper said. According to the Burning Man Project's website, the Green Man Pavilion -- a "30,000-square-foot exhibition space that combines art, earth sciences and technological innovation" -- also was damaged in the blaze.

Some people thought the initial radio chatter about the unplanned fire was a joke, according to a story by News.com.

A full report will follow later today.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/fire-1.jpg

marooko
08-28-2007, 09:07 AM
i gotta go make a BM.

green man...hahahaha.

J~$$$
08-28-2007, 01:56 PM
http://www.current.tv/pods/tvfreeburningman/PD07009

video....

and here is the pic of the guilty rage fan......

photo credit: Daniel Garcia, Brad Templeton, Lane Hartwell, Scott Beale & Reno Gazette-Journal

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c193/mmmmdoughnuts/addis-mug-shot.jpg

J~$$$
08-28-2007, 09:31 PM
dont look here. im a jerkass.

full on idle
08-28-2007, 09:32 PM
That guy is a rage fan.

Jenniehoo
08-28-2007, 09:44 PM
Fuck.

Delete the OTHER THREAD PLEASE.

Embarrassing.

full on idle
08-28-2007, 09:46 PM
Don't worry Jennie, this was big news today.

J~$$$
08-28-2007, 09:50 PM
yeah I was just being a moody. I think it maybe my hormones. I cry a lot.

J~$$$
08-31-2007, 11:22 AM
See this is how you do it you stupid hippies.
It aint easy bein green.
http://www.current.tv/burningman/

J~$$$
08-31-2007, 11:27 AM
Dont let any one go to black rock, take a bunch of acid with your neighbors, get naked sing songs, finger paint and watch it on the internet. boom. green.

J~$$$
08-31-2007, 11:39 AM
Interview with the rage fan.

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2007/08/addis

canexplain
08-31-2007, 11:46 AM
Interview with the rage fan.

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2007/08/addis

"... turned into an "Alterna-Disney= Coachella 2010 .... cr****

J~$$$
08-31-2007, 11:52 AM
Its already there but doesnt bill itself as something else.

canexplain
08-31-2007, 12:00 PM
Its already there but doesnt bill itself as something else.

sort of like Larry Craig :) cr**** and to the coachella stanch defenders, that was not a cut by any means .....

xbnmx
09-04-2007, 03:25 PM
We got to see him be burnt, rebuilt, and burnt again.